disturbing picture, no wonder it won a prize!

I can't resist pointing out, Dan, that your ten great things about Kunming post was buried deep inside your ten things I hate about Kunming/China thread.

It sounds like a great idea. Kunming has always been the center for training Chinese professional cyclists, and I'm constantly running into large groups of local hobbyists when I'm riding around the surrounding mountains.

The one thing I'd wonder about is how manageable such a large management structure would be. Sounds a bit like herding cats. Marc should keep a close eye on how the management works at that football club.
As for traffic, it does blow, but it gets a lot better once you're out of the city and up on the mountains.

I'd love to cycle around Yunnan/Kunming, but the roads are so congested with traffic. As a drive and a rider I know from experience that cars and bicycle don't mix. If there were only some nice country road out of Kunming without too much traffic.

I don't usually complain excessively,, I think I even made a 10 Great things about Kunming post somewhere. I agree though,, I was off topic. This site could use a little debate on the other hand so I don't mind playing the devil's advocate. Dan,, how did you know that I hate spinach? spooky.

Also, @Yawningforsleep my I believe Danmairen is Danish; apparently not ALL people who complain excessively are American.

In any case, Danmairen, your original comment was completely off topic. Here we have an article whose main topic is a Kunming resident's attempts to organize a professional cycling team. Cycling races happen on controlled courses and are not subject to normal traffic conditions, so how is this related to the bad traffic/bad manners of motorists and cyclists in Kunming?

It's like there was an article about the proper way to pet a dog, and here comes Danmairen saying, "I don't mind dogs per se, but I really hate eating spinach."

There are actually plans for a subway/light railway in Kunming but I suspect that will materialise around the same time as Danmairen steps out of his teleporter.

You do realize you are actually trying to defend the (of all things) traffic in this fine city? what exactly are "the ideas within"? anyway,, not really looking for a fight. I was just pissed off coz I nearly got flattened yet again today while using a zebra crossing at green light. And don't get me wrong,, I like this place but that shouldn't disqualify me from occasionally being annoyed with potentially life threatening situations. It almost felt like a "You are not Chinese so you don't have the right to say anything"-moment for a second there. :-)

Yea Danmairen, too many people... have you thought of leaving and giving that space you occupy to others who appreciate this city and the ideas within for what they are? Deadly chaos...hehehe you must be from the US, right?

Yay Marc!

Let me be the first to offer a very sincere "Yawn" and a good luck with the project. I don't mind cycling per se but after having experienced traffic in China I would much rather donate to research into human teleportation so we can avoid spending time dodging cars and sidestepping scooters in the deadly chaos known as the Kunming streets. Can you imagine what it will be like in 5-10 years with their plans to make this a 10 million city without building a subway?

In fact the mor ei think i about im pissed off what is my name doing on a free beer for foreigner event F%$*K You CARGO

yeah that sux, i wasnt told free beer was just for foreigners . They said free beer for anyone that arranged before hand . If i was Chinese i would not go there . No wonder foreigners get kicked in at Kundu. Sorry to any Chinese people that are offended i think it sux too!!!!!

It's cool!