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Forums > Living in Kunming > Informal Health Insurance Poll - Expats & Locals

Thanks for the feedback and personal experience with your students. 30m years of China observation is quite impressive.

I don't expect the solution to be simple - but even complicated problems must eventually be broken down into constituent components, to be eventually resolved. The key was to try to identify a potentially feasible solution, then break it into executable components.

As I understand the way China appears to work or appears to work in Kunming - government organizations lead first, followed by industry. In cases where industry moves first, with allowances for talented firms, such as firms like alibaba et al.

Internal operating models I'm considering are employee owned firms, similar to US employee owned firms, using benefits such as healthcare, childcare, career growth, etc to further bind employees and reduce turnover, and hopefully improve or implement employer-employee loyalty as a culture and ethic.

I understand the negatives of abusive family treatment and those abuses will of course be risks to companies with that kind of philosophy, so built-in checks and balances to prevent, punish, and or discourage that kind of behavior would need to be engineered into the company's DNA.

I detest doing this kind of prep work - but if I don't do it, it won't get done. The alternative is be lazy and drop in a status quo system, which is looking mighty desirable right now.

The focus is domestic employees.

Forums > Living in Kunming > Informal Health Insurance Poll - Expats & Locals

If you were working for a local or multinational company in Yunnan, what kind of government and or corporate primary health care benefits would you expect gratis and which ones would you consider paying for.

As an example - I would think catastrophic health care for all would be a national social responsibility, perhaps basic dental care with co-pays, basic vision care with co-pays, and audio/hearing care, with co-pays.

Catastrophic care would also cover families and congenital birth defects, wisdom teeth extractions (for impacted or at risk), government mandated vaccinations (with copays), etc etc etc.

Or alternatively - should the company cover everything and treat employees more like family than mercenaries and should businesses migrate towards employee-owned business models?

Forums > Living in Kunming > Rediculous health insurance comment

The link was posted at tony's request - other verbiage and profanities aside. I understand Tony was upset at the original article (?), so will assume I was just collateral damage from that initial inspiration to post, or not.

It's better I start a separate thread - as what I was looking for isn't really relevant to Tony's title.


No results found.


Assuming your question was serious - a simple google or bing search will yield a plethora of results. The UN (un.edu) has an excellent article on China and India's definition of "poverty lines", but the information is probably outdated as China's economy zooms ahead. China's National Development & Reform Commission - which manages the national five year plan strategies contains the general high level requirements for sustainable development of this country (en.ndrc.gov.cn).

China's five years plans used to be mocked and ridiculed by the western media - but if you've ever performed or witnessed requirements engineering and the processes and artifacts - you cannot but conclude these artifacts are world class professional documents. The Five Year Plans are essentially high level requirements, which indicate the government's architecture for this country - which are then supposed to be devolved by project owners (government officials) into detailed planning documents for execution, monitoring & controlling, and phase out - following generally accepted globally recognized professional standards for professional project management.

Many of China's sustainable poverty elimination plans included seeding of livestock (chickens, pigs, etc) to enable animal husbandry, to increase annual income of the farmers. Last reports were China had sustainable eliminated poverty for over 800 million citizens, with roughly 70-80 million to go. Xi JinPing's goal is 100% elimination by 2020.

Regardless of definition - the consistent attention to poverty elimination is laudable and China's accomplishment in this area is unparalleled in recorded history - resulting in formal recognition by the UN for its successful efforts in this area.

Occasionally, there are questionable ploys to eliminate poverty - such as merely moving people from poverty stricken areas to a different place, to accomplish the numbers - however moving to more fertile or arable ground with better access to transportation, water, healthcare and education facilities can also be considered an improvement in quality of life.

China's current Five Year Plans call for the industrialization of the rural areas, in a responsible sustainable manner. This next move will involve a major cultural shift in the rural areas as farmers begin to aggregate land and resources, pay more attention to water and soil pollution, and reduce the uses of chemical fertilizers and insecticides.

Animal husbandry is another area of potential aggregation - with tremendous opportunities for the high technologies from developed nations such as the EU (+UK), Japan, and USA.

All of these technologies offer the opportunity of significantly reduced water usage and significantly reduced water pollution. It's actually a rather exciting period of history to watch as this massive country continues its transition into a developed nation and global leader and expands into the belt and road with infrastructure development for its neighbors.

If the China model can be applied along the belt and road - the entire Middle East and Africa will finally have the opportunity to similarly eliminate poverty, develop sustainable economies, and perhaps even make serious dents on global terrorism.



Just stopped by Wicker Basket Beichen again to stock up on frozen pizzas, frozen pies (chicken, beef), cheese, and sliced ham (ask them to slice it for you). Love this place - simple decor, polite helpful nice staff - nothing fancy - but gets the job done.


Finally got around to using Salvador's delivery service - tried it out on the chicken burrito and their bag of nacho chips. Delivery was flawless despite being a bit out of area (≥4km) and the food was still warm.

First experience - excellent (5 stars).

Excellent as always - even with long distance delivery. Now if only the online menu was expanded a little (like the chicken strips...hint hint hint...nudge nudge...wink wink).


Just stopped into Prague Beichen for dinner a few nights ago - and I'm shocked at how good their food is - five star international hotel quality. Even the fruit-based drink was made from genuine fruit - as opposed to the usual domestic fare of fruit syrup with chunks of fruit added. The food was well-presented and "plated".

The restaurant itself has had a major overhaul and now occupies both the ground floor and the second floor - well illuminated without being blinding, wide open and airy space (2nd floor), nice attentive but non-intrusive service, and reasonable prices for excellent cuisine.

Will absolutely return several times more, to savor and experience other menu items.

A pleasant surprise and culinary delight - great place for a date or even a quiet business meeting. Excellent atmosphere.


Excellent coffee, tea, and simple meals - to include waffles and various incarnations of sandwiches. Ground floor is NO SMOKING, second floor (where they hide the bathrooms), SMOKING.

Extraordinarily popular place - beautiful location, typical service for Kunming - which means when it's good, it's stellar, when it's bad - it's terrifying - so they have a quality consistency problem that's reflected in the various staff and shifts.

However - it's still a great place to meet, hang out, chill, relax, etc. Just remember to DIY (do it yourself) most of the time.


Caesar's Salad and one of their fresh fruit flavored teas - always my favorite culinary delight here (see my review 6 months ago).

Don't forget to pick up a few freshly baked bread rolls, pastries etc on the way out.

For a NO-SMOKING designated environment - comfortable, quiet, elegant, for a bistro-ish experience.