@AlPage48: "If China instituted a similar "no charge to the user" system they would have to collect the costs in taxes somewhere else."
Actually China's public health care is already heavily state-funded. Yes, the public pays fees, but those are small compared to what same operations would cost somewhere else, even when considering the average income difference.
I asked about this from one Chinese doctor that I visited couple of years ago, and he outright said that they'd ask for more money and people would pay, but the government does not allow it. No wonder if there are some shady practises to increase the profits.
Bigger difference may be in state structures.
In China the threshold to become a tax payer is quite high (and much higher after latest IIT reforms) , so lot of people that would be tax payers with similar jobs in west, are solely net receivers here.
Also the state here gets revenue from many other things than taxes - state-owned tobacco industry being one relevant to public health.
I think that the whole "citilized city" tag that Kunming and its authorities were aiming for (failing at that), shows that what China tries to achieve is not much different from what has been achieved elsewhere, in terms of some sort of objective definition of "civilized".
Naturally some would not agree with the whole concept, but (especially in country like China, unfortunately) that is really irrelevant. What matters is what the leaders want.
In (western) fast food joints one of the reasons to ask customers to clean their tables is the cost factor.
In busier places it's easily at least one person's full time salary to handle that, and that cost would be transferred to item prices for customers to pay.
And here we get to two major difference in developed western countries and China.
On one hand the salaries and additional employment costs in China are much lower, and on other the Chinese consumers are more price sensitive, in the sense that they'd happily pay more to show off their wealth.
Meanwhile in west the employers would save where ever they can without losing too many customers to competitors, and those customers understand this too. Taking care of your own rubbish means cheaper burgers.
@alienew: "The workers should hold them liable with brickbats."
Well, that would set a dangerous precedent, which would only result in only tighter enslaving of employees in future operations across the nation. And certainly overriding limited liability of iinvestors only serves to drive investments away from these places.
The second to last picture with all the shop signs actually reminds me of Hong Kong.
Perhaps off topic, but this is strikingly opposite of recent developments in first tier cities and in fact even our own apartment block in northern Kunming, where the authorities are forcing shops to remove excessive signs on the streets and in the walls - basically anywhere outside the immediate space the shops have leased.
Alright, if you go that way then everything is assuming. Assumptions is what made our ancestors come down from trees and cross a river and a mountain range. You assume quite a bit already when you go to sleep at night.
I am not assuming anything that didn't happen already. China already had a peasant revolution that was supposed to bring prosperity to all.
I am not asking for another revolution, but I am asking for that same spark. I do admit assuming that the Chinese state can contain such spark better this time.
Migrant workers receive bricks in lieu of pay
Posted by@alienew: "The workers should hold them liable with brickbats."
Well, that would set a dangerous precedent, which would only result in only tighter enslaving of employees in future operations across the nation. And certainly overriding limited liability of iinvestors only serves to drive investments away from these places.
Migrant workers receive bricks in lieu of pay
Posted by"The company may not have assets to pay, but I bet the owners do."
And that's the difference between limited and unlimited liability ownership.
University life in the not-so-ghost town of Chenggong
Posted byThe second to last picture with all the shop signs actually reminds me of Hong Kong.
Perhaps off topic, but this is strikingly opposite of recent developments in first tier cities and in fact even our own apartment block in northern Kunming, where the authorities are forcing shops to remove excessive signs on the streets and in the walls - basically anywhere outside the immediate space the shops have leased.
Government sues parents to get kids back to school
Posted byAlright, if you go that way then everything is assuming. Assumptions is what made our ancestors come down from trees and cross a river and a mountain range. You assume quite a bit already when you go to sleep at night.
I am not assuming anything that didn't happen already. China already had a peasant revolution that was supposed to bring prosperity to all.
I am not asking for another revolution, but I am asking for that same spark. I do admit assuming that the Chinese state can contain such spark better this time.
Government sues parents to get kids back to school
Posted by@Dazzer: "you go again, asume asume "
Is it assuming if I have seen it with my own eyes?