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Forums > Living in Kunming > GoKunming feedback...

I think everyone is in favor of lively debate, and a large majority appear to oppose trolling. There is a gray area in between lively debate and trolling that might be called "disruptive" posting, which is a good part of what seems to be at issue here.

The problem is that disruptive posting is extremely difficult to define, and it's even harder to determine what if anything should be done in any given instance. Therefore, the chances of us settling the matter here are virtually nil. It is the job of the moderator to make judgement calls about how best to address disruptive posts for the general welfare of the forums.

We also now know that Ishmael didn't just summarily get a red card, but rather had first received several yellow cards. So the free speech concerns that some have raised should be at least somewhat reduced.

The upshot of the points above, I would suggest, is that the current conversation has run its useful course.

The forums were carrying on rather well before the present to-do, as several other people had already noted. This gives reason to hope that the new approach to moderation is working. So how about we all take a deep breath, put some trust in the moderators, and let them do their job for a while?

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@michael2015 wrote: "...it's probably not necessary to publicly list TOS violators unless it's used to demonstrate or enforce authority."

I understand your discomfort with this, but the alternative would seem to be non-transparency and perhaps an appearance of arbitrariness -- sort of the forum equivalent of people being disappeared under cover of night.

@redjon777 wrote: "Guess the way now is not to try and push too heavily on a point if someone disagrees, step back and say OK your way is best!"

I don't think that's the way now at all. The point as I see it is simply to not defy repeated warnings from the moderator.

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Based on what we knew previously, I had initially shared some of the concerns voiced above by cloudtrapezer, nnoble and Geezer.

But the fact that Ishmael was given multiple warnings makes a big difference. It is well within the customary prerogatives of moderators to end debate on a given subject -- for example, this has often been done here in the past by locking threads. If users refuse to cooperate with that, then it's reasonable and even necessary to take stronger measures.

Plus the conversation on this topic has now been ongoing for two weeks, so it's hard to argue that debate was being cut off prematurely.

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Last night I seem to remember there were 5 upvotes for jj23's post above, and this morning there are zero. An interesting phenomenon.

To state my bias, I generally agree with the drift of his post, although I would argue for a more gradual approach. Plus I second viyida's point above.

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@viyida wrote: "MAD (mutual assured destruction) leverage"

An oxymoron. MAD is bi-directional, hence the "mutual". Both sides have reduced leverage over each other under MAD, because threats to use conventional force have low credibility in light of the extreme risks involved.

cloudtraprezer wrote: "宣传部宣"

Turn that smile upside down, sezuwupom. Expressing positive sentiments about fast, comfortable, affordable and environmentally-sustainable new rail connections is not allowed by the comments police. Anyone who is not sufficiently glum will be ridiculed.

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