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Forums > Food & Drink > Western-run places in KM too expensive?

@ Dudeson: Note that Salvador's trains their own staff, and does it very thoroughly and very well, which is certainly one reason why they stay on as long as they do. There are further reasons for the latter, including staff outings as far away as Chiang Mai, and this is commendable.

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@ Geezer: the following is the question I was referring to:

"'anyway the maximation of profit isn't the only goal?'

"Is this a question?"

Yes.

The thread title is an inquiry, and it's been a good discussion. 'Too expensive' is indeed subjective. I understand my present choices, and don't mean to be whining and bitching - just raising questions as to the subjective impressions of others. Yes, I frequent some Western-run places in Kunming and will continue to do so.

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@ Geezer: OK, interesting discussion, but I think we might continue it elsewhere (another thread, if anybody's interested) as we're both getting away from my original query. Anyway, your disagreement with me about profit and wages - think I was mistaken as far as the AMOUNT of profit is concerned, although not about the RATE of profit (i.e., percentage of intake that is profit).

Answer to your question: yes, I meant to ask a question.

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Saw a couple people accept and then immediately auction off excellent raffle prizes they had won but would not or could not make use of, and give the money to a charity - seems to me to be a good and valid option to include in future events.

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Note that the South RR Station is on the underground/subway.

I have just returned from Guangzhou to Kunming South - 9 hours, good comfortable seats, quiet, smooth, bright & shiny; ran at about 200 kms/hr. Price a little over Y400. Even the food on the train was better than the usual quite-bad food on ordinary trains. There's a faster train that is supposed to take about 6 hours, price a little over Y800.

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Really nice photos, makes me want to visit the place, although I object to the practice in China of charging entrance fees to visit whole towns, which turn them into museums.

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I take your point, hedgepig, but cultures change, very often brought on by outside influences, and I'm not sure that taking on Christianity is necessarily more negative than taking on nationalism or various other doctrines - I'm not pushing anything in particular, except that the circumstances are always somewhat particular and have to be judged that way. For better or for worse, there is no hermetic sealing against the outside - the general question is, who's in charge here?

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.