Hey Morons!

Posted in: Forums > Living in Kunming • 53 posts • Newest

• • colinflahive
    October 24, 2009
    107 posts
  • This goes out to all the morons living in Kunming who treat this city like a kindergarten without a teacher. Your mommies not being here to take care of you doesn't mean that you have to act like little children. And just because you can take drugs like candy here doesn't necessarily mean you should.

    This especially goes out to the moron last night who was only inches from cracking a young girl's head wide open. You're lucky she regained consciousness after 3 minutes. I bet she's not feeling so lucky today.

    Grow up douche bags!

• • prd34
    October 24, 2009
    61 posts
  • Colin, You are right! This city attracts a lot of morons -- and unfortunately some like to make stupid comments on GoKunming. Not you of course! peace, paul

• • yunnanrose
    October 24, 2009
    8 posts
  • I totally agree with Colin.

    Morons like this should be banned from certain places in the future, if they prove they can't act in a responsible manner.
    The night was meant to be a fun one, and people shouldn't have to be concerned about their safety.

    I hope the young girl is OK, and that the person or people will reflect on their childish actions. This could have been a disaster for her and everyone.

• • kickkick
    October 24, 2009
    51 posts
  • what happened? a couple of places looked like western moron hotbeds last night.

• • hedgepig
    October 24, 2009
    275 posts
  • funny thing was, not long before it happened, i was being warned about the moron in question, and that something bad was going to happen. and it did.

    i hope the girl's head mends, and that she's able to go get checked out by a competent doctor - she was out cold for a while, which is not a good sign.

• • danimal
    October 24, 2009
    8 posts
  • absolutely ridiculous. The girl who fell literally fell onto my feet, and the guy, who was absolutely not present at all, lay on the ground laughing for a couple minutes while this girl is laying there, totally unconscious. Then he got up and started yelling at people to back off and give her air, pushing my friend back away from her. Good thing there were several people there willing to help out.

    I highly doubt he has learned his lesson, except that if you drop people, they will probably get back up a few minutes later. Terrible actions... people show you a lot about their character in a situation like this.

• • kickkick
    October 24, 2009
    51 posts
  • where did it happen?

• • jimsc
    October 24, 2009
    9 posts
  • Can anyone explain WHAT the hell happened? All that's apparent from this thread: There was a moron. A girl got a head injury. Some posters are personally familiar with the moron in question.

    Let's have it, freelance journalists: Who, What, When, Where, Why, How. C'mon, pretend you're being graded on this.

• • hedgepig
    October 24, 2009
    275 posts
  • ok, calm down, no need to yell, and no need to patronise.

    outside the Ganesh/Tribal Moons party last night, a girl was knocked unconscious after being dropped by a rather drunk partygoer.

• • kickkick
    October 24, 2009
    51 posts
  • a moron + an audience + drugs + free san miguel.

    ew.

• • Chris Taylor
    October 25, 2009
    4 posts
  • Everyone here has a good point. But, as one of those present and who was aware that the guy in question was a disaster waiting to happen, I think we have a responsibility to head these things off before they become a problem. It's a pain in the ass, but, given where we are, we have to police our own community somewhat.

• • DanTheMan
    October 25, 2009
    235 posts
  • Putting aside the moronic behavior in question for a moment, I thought it might be good to have a bit of a discussion about how to deal with a medical emergency in Kunming--so that maybe at least some good can come of all this in the form of raised awareness in the foreign community.

    I arrived at Ganesh I guess about 15 minutes after the incident and was told that an ambulance had been called, which failed to materialize in the hour or two that I was there. Maybe somebody called to cancel it or maybe it never got there, I'm not sure.

    In any case, I was under the impression that the best thing to do in an emergency is to take a taxi or private car to the hospital.

    There are three reasons behind this line of thought. First, a car or taxi can usually be taken from the scene of the emergency; no waiting for the ambulance to get there. If there are no free cabs, one can always stop and commandeer a taxi with passengers in it. Second, traffic in China does not yield to an ambulance with flashing lights the way that it does in other countries, so their isn't much of any added speed factor once you've waited around for the ambulance to arrive. Most of us have probably seen this. Finally, I am under the impression that most Chinese ambulances do not have the same EMTs and life supporting capabilities that western ambulances have. I'm not positive about this one, and there may be different kinds of ambulance, but the one time I looked inside one there was nothing in it except a stretcher, no medical equipment of any kind. Which makes it not much better than a taxi in terms of keeping you alive.

    Any feedback on this? Any suggestions on which hospital to go to in a major medical emergency?

    FYI, emergency numbers in China (to my knowledge):
    Police 110
    Fire 119
    Ambulance 120
    Traffic 122

    I've never called one of these, so I'm not sure if there are people on hand who speak English.

• • DanTheMan
    October 25, 2009
    235 posts
  • ^Used "their" in place of "there" in the previous post. 非常 ashamed of myself.

• • kickkick
    October 25, 2009
    51 posts
  • Totally agree with Chris Taylor; it isn't his fault because somebody should have intervened and explained to the poor guy the consequences that might result from his actions.

    How was he to know? He might be an adult, but his capacity was impaired by drugs and alcohol. Obviously, this puts the onus on us.

    Community policing is the answer. Constant foot patrols up and down Wenlin Jie and Wenhua Xiang should do the trick. We're gonna need hats.

• • rpw37
    October 25, 2009
    5 posts
  • Just fyi, the ambulance turned up about 5 minutes after the drugged-up fools in question had bundled the girl in a taxi. We explained the situation. They were concerned about her, and asked us if we had a way to contact the guys. We suggested they asked at Ganesh if they really wanted to know. Clearly they didn't ask...

    As for responsibility, I agree that it would be good to encourage some kind of preventative action, but when the people in question are so completely wasted, it is pretty impossible to rein them in. Best advert I've ever seen for staying off drugs.

• • danimal
    October 26, 2009
    8 posts
  • First... I try not to post when I am frustrated... so if anyone involved reads what I wrote earlier, indeed, sorry if it was a little harsh.

    Second. There is one definite, absolute case in which I would call the paramedics, it would be if there is any neck back or head trauma. After some time as a CPR instructor, I suppose I am now more likely to go for the ambulance for this reason: The people in the ambulance should have proper training. If there is any question about a neck or back injury, or if someone is not breathing, the paramedics should be called. I also hope that Chinese paramedics have adequate defibrillator machines

    If time is of the essence, then maybe go for the taxi for superficial stuff. Just don't forget, generally, if someone is messed up to the point of needing an ambulance, they probably shouldn't be carried or moved or carted around in a taxi for long periods. They should be immobilized, on a stretcher, and in the presence of trained EMTs.

• • rollsroyce
    October 26, 2009
    26 posts
  • I got hit by a car last week while I was riding on my E-bike and flew 5m backwards. Heavy injury on right leg and a painful back is what I had. The ambulance came 1 hour later, literally. lol. While I was inside, they had about 3 emergency paramedics and few equipments. I don't know what they're called. They also had two beds. It took about 20minutes to get to the Hospital. When I arrived, they asked to pay first upfront or no treatment. Rofl.

    Don't get hurt people.

• • taejonwill
    October 26, 2009
    25 posts
  • A drug is a truth serom.
    MK Ultra tried it.
    But they looked for a confession.
    A drug isn't a confession.
    A drug is a behavior.
    The bull in the china shop.
    That's why people don't go there.
    It is so easy to knock things over, so hard to get back up.
    Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall in Kunming last Friday.
    A stupid behavior happens very quickly.
    The consequences linger and linger.
    Manic depression is a frustrating mess.
    I'm not sitting on a fence.
    Never give a pence to sense.
    Just do it on pretense.
    Ever so dense, denser, oh de rinsed
    Never, ever, veered off the road.
    Explode.
    Road.
    Rode.
    Load
    No'd
    Yo
    O
    No
    Noooooooooo
    Nooooooooooooooooo knowed.
    No one knew, had a clue, you???
    Except he had a lot of noise, and knocked over a few tables and chairs, and said a few rude remarks, in fact didn't even maintain a vertical posture.
    But no one know'd he was about to explode, because he was just a load.
    And if we are back in kindergarten, time out is just so emo.

• • acu_j
    October 26, 2009
    5 posts
  • Kunming Survival 101:

    Based from observation and my training as an EMT in the U.S., I've witnessed dozens of medical emergencies here in Kunming in the last decade and there's really no easy way to approach this topic. If the community could come together and those interested take a basic first aid class people would have a better idea of when to taxi it to the hospital and how or when to wait for an ambulance. Most concussions do not require medical attention but some certainly do. Although the emergency medical staffs have gotten better they are still well below the training and protocol of professional EMTs.

    In the future, here's what you should do with a head trauma situation. Try and clear people away from the injured person and if there are hostile individuals seek help to remove them from the scene. The last thing you need is to have a drunk/drugged crowd of bystanders providing unprofessional feedback and getting in the way of proper and quick situational diagnosis. If it is not possible to remove these obstacles do your best to ignore them. Furthermore, EMTs and those helping the injured often lead the risk of attack by the person who has instigated the situation or bystanders that think you are involved. That's one benefit of a medical uniform. So without it, be careful and let people know that you are trying to help.

    First, establish if they are alert and oriented.

    If the person is unconscious the radial or jugular pulse should be taken to establish whether or not there is a pulse present. If there is not a pulse then an ambulance should be called immediately and told the injured person is without a palpable pulse. That may get them to hurry to the site. If someone's heart is not beating CPR should be administered immediately. Since we are dealing with a head or body injury that is significant enough to stop the heart someone will need to stabilize the injured person's cervical spine (neck) to prevent unnecessarily damaging the spinal cord. Sometimes these types of injuries will cause a fracture (break) in one of the spinal bones and moving the neck around prematurely (before x-ray or other proper diagnosis) can lead to severing or injuring the spinal cord. While a bystander holds the head in place, CPR should then be given until an emergency medical technician arrives on the scene. If you are in a place with a defibrillator, AED (Automated External Defibrillators), which is a battery powered device that delivers an electric charge to the heart, then it should be used. If you haven't had training on how to use one, which only requires placing the electrodes in the proper place, moving away from the body before the electric shock is administered and pushing a button. These automated devices will read the heart's rhythm and decide if the shock is applicable. One reminder, if the injured person is in a puddle or body of water you should not use this device until everyone has cleared away from the person and the water. If you're kneeling down beside the body with water beneath you you will also be electrocuted by the AED device. One problem you will find here in Kunming with the local EMTs is that upon arrival they will not take proper precautions to avoid spinal injury. They will start by shaking the injured person and shouting to wake them up. If that doesn't work they may try and force the person to be in a sitting position and then use unsound techniques to get the person on a gurney (stretcher) and into the ambulance. Not sure how you can avoid this besides actively holding the injured person's neck and head until it is securely strapped down to the gurney.

    Back to alert and oriented; try not to move the injured person until they have regained consciousness unless you are willing to take the risk of spinal/neck injury. If a pulse is present you can begin by asking the person if they can hear you. If they do not respond to auditory stimuli (sound) you can take your knuckles and rub them on the center of the sternum (midline of the chest) to provoke a response to the pain. If there's no response to pain then the person has sustained a more serious concussion. Most people injured by concussion and unconscious will wake within a few seconds to a few minutes. The length of time the person is unconscious can also determine the severity of the concussion; a Grade I concussion consists of confusion only (no loss of consciousness), Grade II includes confusion and post-traumatic amnesia (loss of memory 30 minutes to 24hrs, possible loss of consciousness for less than 1 minute); Grade III and IV involve a longer duration of loss of consciousness (1-5 minutes). Anyone who remains unconscious for minutes has sustained a more serious concussion and should go to the hospital. According to the American Academy of Neurology (AAN) permanent brain injury can occur with either a Grade II or Grade II concussion. The mechanism of injury can also tell us whether or not the injured person should go to the hospital. Just know that moving the person to the hospital before they wake or without proper training runs the risk of further neck injury. Once they are awake you can ask if they have significant pain in or around their neck. Not all neck and spinal injuries present with pain right away, and the injured are not usually conscious enough to know which pain is which. Furthermore their adrenal system as already begun the fight or flight process which can mask the pain of injured areas. Once the person wakes warm sweetened water should be given in small amounts. At this point it may be wise to try and move the person away from the crowd that has gathered around, or try and get people to back up or leave the scene. To establish the level of alertness ask the injured person these questions: if they know their name; if they know where they are; if they know the day or date. If they cannot answer one of these questions then they have most likely sustained a more serious concussion and a trip to the hospital is advised. The injured should be asked if they are experiencing nausea or if vomiting is observed these are indications of a more serious concussion. Doctors will determine the severity by physical and neurological diagnosis and/or CT scan to determine the level of brain swelling.

    If the injured person has answered the questions correctly and are coherent and decide not to go to the hospital then they should be told to watch for signs of brain injury/concussion while at home; nausea, vomiting, severe headache, visual disturbance (blurred vision, double vision, sensitivity to light), lack of motor coordination (hard to move), difficulty balancing. It is important to observe whether or not these symptoms, if experienced, get better or worse over time. If any symptoms worsen go to the hospital. Otherwise, get plenty of rest at night and during the day, keep hydrated with water and electrolytes and take it easy for a few weeks to allow your body to recover.

    That being said, it would be wise for restaurants and bars to do what Salvador's has done and have their staff trained in CPR, chocking and first aid. For those interested you can contact Zhang Ying (Daisy, who works in the Yunnan Provincial Traditional Chinese Medicine Hospital's Foreign Administration Department) and she can help set up a course in CPR at the hospital or provide you with information; 362-0626.

• • kickkick
    October 26, 2009
    51 posts
  • if there's one good thing to come out of the moron's unconscionable actions it's the beautiful prose above.

    i take it there was more than one moron, but only one of them went randy robinson on the girl?

    i'm picturing a marauding band of droogs, swinging chains, sipping 'the old knifey moloko' and indulging in random acts of orgiastic violence.

• • dr. chibbles
    October 27, 2009
    10 posts
  • lost in all this discussion is an update on the girl. is she alright? more important than what should be done is what was done. hand-wringing and plans for the future aside, i would like to know if she is doing well.

• • outraged_christian
    October 27, 2009
    3 posts
  • There are no good drugs in Kunming.

    These morons have obviously been squirreling away their supplies for just the right time to strike. They morons must have wasted all their fiendish druggy supplies by now!

    Let the chaste rejoice!

• • DC145
    October 29, 2009
    1 post
  • No good drugs in Kunming? I beg to differ. You can get pretty good stuff to smoke here, as it does grow naturally.

    That said, yeah, people do some real dumb shit when they're drunk/high. Makes you think about the people you associate with (if you associate with dumb people).

• • Charles Hudon
    October 29, 2009
    2 posts
  • Ever been too drunk on BaiJiu??? Well let the one who's never been to drunk on BaiJiu throw the first stone. Arnold and ChongZi (the girl) are really good buddies. They had a wonderful hotpot together before the show and where both totally wasted. The girl did fall couple time by herself that night and when both of them felt, it was pretty hard to know who's fault it was.

    Plus, I'm not so sure about the Moron thing… Have you ever talk to Arnold before? He's sweet as an angel. If anything, I suggest that you go talk to him instead of saying defamatory talk on the internet. People get sued for that you know? Cause yes, that's what it is. You may think he looked wasted, fair enough, but that doesn't give you the right to say he was on dope on the internet bro… (See, I call you bro, cause I really thing calling people moron like you guys do is a bit socially inadapted). To tell the truth, I'm a really discussed about what I've been reading. Why don't you guys get a life? Give it a try…maybe you won't bother too much about other people's one.
    So much hater in you people, try to keep it cool…

• • JJ and Janice
    October 29, 2009
    253 posts
  • If they're "wasted"- - they're Morons!! "Nuff Said.

    JJ

• • kickkick
    October 29, 2009
    51 posts
  • oh, man... he's right... I really do need to keep it cool. Where to start? Hmm.

    Kickkick's keeping it cool 'to do' list:

    Step 1: eat wonderful hotpot with female friend
    Step 2: wash it down with copious amounts of baijiu
    Step 3: give aforementioned female friend serious head trauma
    Step 4: chill

• • Tonyaod
    October 29, 2009
    181 posts
  • Oh the sweet irony. No one knew the identities of the parties involved before your post Charles. We were mostly discussing the the idea of morons doing moronic thing like getting wasted and wasn't a direct attack on the perpetrator per se....However, thanks for revealing the identity of the said moron.

• • JJ and Janice
    October 29, 2009
    253 posts
  • Getting wasted in public - - in a foreign country - - is asking for trouble. I've seen it in many countries. Ever try to get a friend out of a Mexican jail - - a Thai jail - - a Lao jail - - others!!

    I still say getting wasted in public in a foreign country is a moronic thing.

    Cheers - - JJ

• • dianjing
    October 29, 2009
    17 posts
  • "If anything, I suggest that you go talk to him instead of saying defamatory talk on the internet. People get sued for that you know? "

    Have fun suing for this in China, maybe you can buy some more baijiu with the 20 kuai you're awarded.

• • rollsroyce
    October 29, 2009
    26 posts
  • try getting your friend out of st. quentin, california, huh JJ ~

• • JJ and Janice
    October 29, 2009
    253 posts
  • Howdy Rolls - - it's really San Quentin (oh well) - - and very, very difficult to get out. One way out is that it is the only prison in California with a Death Row for men!

    Cheers - - JJ

• • rollsroyce
    October 30, 2009
    26 posts
  • haha yea ur right ~
    i forgot about it -

    have fun responsibly people -

• • maudiodj
    October 30, 2009
    6 posts
  • As a semi retired moron myself I'd like chip in with my few cents. Whilst there's no denying that this kind of behaviour is reckless at

    best I think singling someone out for what may or may not be an isolated incident on a public forum is harsh. First off - who amongst us hasn't been wasted and done something stupid? A lot of people sitting on high horses but i doubt its many.
    The fact that these two know each other and weren't randomly

    assaulting strangers (something that would be worth its own forum) begs the question... why's this your business? Yes its irresponsible but if thats how these people want to behave with their own friends thats up to them. Witnessing events such as these understandably makes people uncomfortable or angry which i believe was the

    initial reason this post came into existence but it needs to be put in context. This isn't high tea at Moonlight corner. At this kind of event there are obviously going to be a lot of wasted people, not least of all the band;) so if wasted people make you angry go somewhere else safe in the knowledge that their behaviour has no real impact on your life.

    peace

    If they're "wasted"- - they're Morons!! "Nuff Said.

• • maudiodj
    October 30, 2009
    6 posts
  • @ jj startling lack of empathy:)

• • Tiger
    October 30, 2009
    66 posts
  • @maudiodj - For G-d's sake, you/they want empathy?!

• • JJ and Janice
    October 30, 2009
    253 posts
  • You want empathy?? Go visit a few foreign jails and give empathy to those incarcerated for drug-related offenses.
    Sometimes "reality" has to enter the picture.

    Cheers - - JJ

• • Bruce
    October 30, 2009
    9 posts
  • OK, this is overdone, stale and getting far too "do as I say, not as I do" - the guy made a mistake, something I'm sure he regrets. I'm sure the girl has forgiven him so why can't we? We have all been in his shoes at one or more times in our lives, I'm not talking about getting drunk and injuring someone but doing something with consequences we regret - even Prince JJ.

    Moronic - Ramble on about how I am better than all of you, I would never get drunk in public
    Smart - learn quietly from his mistakes (and our own)

• • JJ and Janice
    October 30, 2009
    253 posts
  • Bruce - - I'm speaking from experience. I've been in some of those jails - - and my oldest son killed himself on drugs - - so if I can get a msg across to anyone - - I'm for it. And if you think that makes me a "Prince" - - so be it.
    Added note: I am 72 years old - - and "been there - done that - bought the t-shirt." PS - the jail in Olongapo, PI back then was a place you did not want to be.

    Cheers - - JJ

• • Bruce
    October 30, 2009
    9 posts
  • Thanks JJ - I now understand the importance of this subject to you but complaining and passing judgement from behind your router will surely not fix the problem. Kunming expat community is small and you or someone you know, knows the person in question. Have a sit down. A lot of inferences and assumptions have been made on peoples opinions rather than fact. I don't know the facts, but I do know this person has friends and I would hope that if they felt there was a problem to deal with they are on a personal level - face to face.

    If someone in our community has a problem then it is up to us as a community to help that person - stoning them in public will not fix anything.

• • maudiodj
    October 30, 2009
    6 posts
  • I too now understand the importance of this to you jj but thoroughly agree with bruce that help rather than humiliation is the answer:)

• • JJ and Janice
    October 30, 2009
    253 posts
  • What humiliation?? My point has always been - - if you get wasted and out of control in a foreign country - - then you are a moron because ANYTHING can happen. One must ALWAYS be in control!! Out of control - - take the consequences.

    Cheers - - JJ

• • outraged_christian
    October 30, 2009
    3 posts
  • You sound like a barrel of laughs JJ, can I come to your house and moderately trade witticisms and judgments. Then maybe pray to jeebus for a few hours?

    We can wear slippers - it will be very safe.

• • maudiodj
    October 30, 2009
    6 posts
  • @ outraged christian

    Let's keep this in the spirit of a friendly debate rather than insults.

    @ jj

    the humiliation is having a mistake made being discussed by a whole community for everyone to see. I don't disagree with your point, merely the way that this is being aired.

• • JJ and Janice
    October 30, 2009
    253 posts
  • OK - - Outraged - - but probably better in public rather than my house because my wife is dangerous. And, by the way, I am a retired Navy SEAL with several years combat - - and I have seen almost every possible man's inhumanity to man - - so ain't many surprises left for me. We can meet in one of the coffee houses in Bei Chen area - - and you might be surprised that an old fellows wit can probably match yours.

    Cheers - - JJ

• • LuJingLin
    October 30, 2009
    28 posts
  • These threads always devolve into semantics and name calling. I think the reason Colin started this thread hits at a bigger picture issue. There are more and more foreigners coming to China and Kunming for what seems two main reasons. The first being geinuine interest in living abroad and in Chinese culture/life. The second seems to be the idea of finding an extremely easy life- easy money, cheap living, ready access to drugs, whatever... Many of us fall somewhere between the two.

    But the fact is that, for whatever reason you're here, for how long, and whether we like it or not, foreigners in China are guests in this country. We also, as individuals, represent a very distinct group in Kunming's society as well as our own countries so when we act, we are inevitably perceived in a wider context. And basic self control and awareness, particularly in public places, is a basic expectation for a guest I think.

    That said, many consider Kunming home and of course these things happen in foreigner and local Chinese communities (i.e. the college boys I see booting before getting on the bus on weekend nights). But I welcome a reaction like Colin's in starting this thread- it shows a level of investment in and respect for Kunming as a real home, not just the backdrop for a couple semesters of fucking around one could do in any other city in the world. And its healthy to discuss the behavioral standards we consider appropriate for ourselves as guests in this country and members of the expat and wider Kunming community. Its something we should think a lot more about, in my opinion.

• • Wayne Stephen
    October 30, 2009
    1 post
  • No, no, no!!! This is going too far! Totally out of control! He did have a meal with a female friend, without KickKick's consent!!! Unbelievable! And they've been drinking!!! Oh my god!!!
    As a responsible laowai community, we have to do something. Since KickKick and JJ seem to have and exemplary moral behavior, we should all follow them. I suggest that they becomes the new heads of the Kunming's morality police. We should take turn and organize weekend patrols in the bar to make sure nobody doesn't do anything that could offend them or the others that had the courage to bravely condemn this young dude. As the police can obviously not be everywhere, I suggest that we elect Colin as our morality God. This way, as he said it, even if our mothers are not around, he could always be in our heart, watching our every moves. Then we should meet on Sunday morning at the Salvadors church to decide who we are going to take down on the internet on Monday. This way would insure to keep our youth away for vice and self-destruction. Time has come to action. I don't think none of us have chosen to come to China to enjoy any kind of freedom.

    Thank you guys to bring us back on the right track...

• • colinflahive
    October 30, 2009
    107 posts
  • My sincere apology. I never intended for this thread to go in this direction. I've been known for my own destructive behavior from time to time. It was a rough night for many of us and I was frustrated by the fact that those trying to help the unconscious victim were being violently repelled from doing so. The opinions of those supporting my initial frustration are not necessarily my opinions. And if I am up for election as "morality god," I think you may be making a mistake casting your vote my way.

• • lingmap
    October 30, 2009
    1 post
  • wayne stephen your a fucking retard. rofl.

• • kickkick
    October 30, 2009
    51 posts
  • @ Wayne Stephen

    Sterling idea. From now on any and all evenings of wonderful hotpot and baijiu which culminate in assault go through me. Without my rubber stamp you're doing something terribly unconscionable and will be dealt with accordingly.

    PS. This initiative will only last as long as it takes my moral code to assent to the idea that dropping girls on their heads is quite simply a triviality and that anyone at any time could engage in such conduct.

    PPS. When this happens I'd like us to be friends. You intrigue me.

    PPPS. !!!

• • JJ and Janice
    October 30, 2009
    253 posts
  • For those who have displayed a modicum of sanity - - I applaud. For some of the others - - my sympathy - - for later your experience will likely lead to say - - "I really was a moron!!"

    Cheers

• • Charles Hudon
    October 30, 2009
    2 posts
  • Hey Kick!!!

    For what I've been reading from your first and second post, I understand that you weren't even there, right? Yet, you've been using words like "assault", "dropping girls on their heads" and "drug". Well, the fact that you say it doesn't make it true. What I'm trying to say here is that you are lying bro, and that's not cool.

    According to me, the "moron" and "serious head trauma" (I was at the hospital) is also a lie, but this is more personal. The fact that you ain't gotta clue what you are talking about really puzzle me... But no worries man, keep on writing, I love it, you intrigue me...

• • JJ and Janice
    October 30, 2009
    253 posts
  • For Outraged - - you wrote:
    "You sound like a barrel of laughs JJ, can I come to your house and moderately trade witticisms and judgments. Then maybe pray to jeebus for a few hours?

    We can wear slippers - it will be very safe."

    So do you to set a time and place - - and give me your name?

    You can give me your definition of "Outraged Christian."

    I promise to not bring any weapons!!

    Cheers - - JJ

• • Matthew
    October 30, 2009
    73 posts
  • alright, i think a lot of ground has been covered, and several angles explored. time to wrap it up folks.

• The Old Theatre Inn
• Chicago Coffee
• Lost Garden Guesthouse & Restaurant
• Kunming Mei's Mandarin School
• As You Like
• Keats School
• Moondog
• GoKunming
• YMCA Club 1933
• Slice of Heaven
• Kingsway Tented Resorts
• Bakery 88
• Camel Bar
• The Mask
• Kunming College of Eastern Language and Culture
• My Favor Restaurant
• Chapter One
• Wonders Of Yunnan Travel
• O'Reilly's Irish Pub
• Salvador's Coffee House
• Wangtianshu Restaurant & Deli
• Tenwest Mandarin School
• Cacao Mexican Restaurant
• Flying Tigers Restaurant
• Kunming Yu-Cong Enterprise Management Company
• Huiying Dental Clinic