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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Friendliest - and Nastiest - people in China?

@Napoleon: I haven't either, though the ones (now aged or dead) Chinese troops (now aged or dead) fought against were almost all from south korea, and there are numerous ethnic Koreans in the Northeast (an official Chinese nationality). It's an interesting point, though, since foreign Koreans here tend not to associate with many foreigners of other nationalities (except, perhaps, among Korean Christians and (largely) US Christians, but I don't know much about that). I wonder how Dongbei people, including Han, Man and Korean, think of North Koreans, and about ethnic-minority Chinese Koreans - friendly, nasty, or what? And vice versa.

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OK, but considered as a single group - which, I'm afraid, is the way all too many local Chinese see them, as locals tend to do in many places - how do you think 'foreigners' rate? I think it's fair to consider tourists separately - and of course there might be subcategory considerations to be made, based on, perhaps, nationality, or geography, or employment, or gender, or whatever.

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Any opinions on where to find the friendliest - and nastiest - non-Chinese people in China (though obviously 'non-Chinese' and 'foreigner' are pretty broad terms)? I've heard some negative remarks about expats in Shanghai, and Sanlitun in Beijing seems to collect...well, I haven't been there for awhile. There have been a few unpleasant incidents involving foreigners in Kunming, Jinghong and Dali over the years, though for the most part foreigners in these places seem okay, but we've all seen unfriendly remarks, posted by foreigners, about Chinese or about each other here on the forums. What about Lijiang?
Would be particularly interesting to see opinions here from Chinese contributors.
As for friendlieness, I've generally found people in the smaller towns and villages to be more friendly than those in cities. I'm not sure what how this may impact on considerations of people's level of 'civilized'.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Friendliest - and Nastiest - people in China?

I can't answer your question, but I certainly have not found Kunming people to be unhelpful or particularly rude. I found men, in particular, in Sichuan to be, not so much rude or unhelpful, but to make a particularly big deal about foreigners (e.g., a lot of "Look, a laowai!", etc.). I found it annoying, although I got used to it. On the other hand, I found it easier to meet women there, and make friends with them (not just a matter of sexual relations etc.) I lived in Sichuan for 1&1/2 years.
Note that I lived in a city where there were not a lot of foreigners, and so the Kunming syndrome of foreigners speaking English with Chinese and with each other whenever there was more than one foreigner in the group was not a big problem.
I don't find Hong Kong people particularly helpful. Taiwanese, yes, at least if you speak Chinese - lived in each place about 6 years.

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Most of the villages in the valley are Bai, an official minority. There are also supposedly Lisu in the hills to the east - I haven't gone up there, but they shouldn't be more than a few hours' hike at most.

On its way to becoming overly touristified, like many other places that have already gone too far in that direction - but still very much a great place. Thing is, the town of Sideng is only one point in the Shaxi Valley, & with a bicycle you can ride up & down the valley for a very long way.
The Shaxi Cultural Center & Guest House in Sideng is a very nice place to stay in an old courtyard house - very comfortable & friendly but not over commercialized.

@Willie Gee, I think a lot of it may be going to make the city fancier & more 'modern'; and, through that effort, into the pockets of those who live on profits and/or their friends in government.

@Alex: I think Kubilai Khan, Genghis Khan's grandson, commanded the troops - was your ancestor, youngest son of Genghis Khan, with them? Possible, but it seems odd - would like to hear more about this.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.