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The End of Salvador's Wireless

laotou (1714 posts) • 0

Right - the EU released this draft "just in case" - there's no publishable proof regarding wifi or cellular bio damage - but again, there's no proof otherwise. As China has more mobile users than any other country in the world (including India - the closest population neighbor) - should be interesting to see the FX over the next 10-30 years. However as in normal scientific methods - it'll be difficult to find and monitor a control group.

GoK Moderator (5096 posts) • 0

One loophole that wireless creates. You can go on line and publish anonymously. With the internet cafe, you used to have to show an ID card, and there was a layer of control (albeit a week one).

OK a wired hub would get around this, but at least there would have to be a physical presence in the building. Logically, little difference to wifi, but when did logic have to do with anything.

With wifi an agitator could cause trouble, it may be that China Telecom were instructed to do this. The date of the original post was pre-Olympics.

prd34 (59 posts) • 0

Actually, there are thousands of "Independent" studies showing biological effects. There are also numerous industry-sponsored studies not showing any effects at all. In the latter case, in most cases, we might be able to assume that the conclusions were reached before the studies even began. Researchers that have found effects have been hounded and made to look like liars, idiots, and have had their fundings cut. Reporters will hence look at both groups of studies and conclude that it is inconclusive. Hmm! There are in fact studies going back to the 60s and 70s conducted by the American military showing all kinds of ill effects:

"This is one of the first large scale reviews of the literature on the biological effects of microwave and radio frequency radiation and it first appeared in 1971. The author classified the biological effects, into 17 categories (see below). These categories include heating (thermal effects); changes in physiologic function; alterations of the central, autonomic and peripheral nervous systems; psychological disorders; behavioral changes (animal studies); blood and vascular disorders; enzyme and other biochemical changes; metabolic, gastro-intestional, and hormonal disorders; histological changes; genetic and chromosomal effects; the pearl-change effect (related to orientation in bacteria and animals); and a miscellaneous group of symptoms that didn't fit into the above categories." Check out the following link:

www.magdahavas.com/[...]

laotou (1714 posts) • 0

All I can say is <french cafe et al> free wifi. Sal's - selective inconsistency as usual from a middle management imbecilic moron (is that a double insult?), who's once again making stuff up - typical of large enterprise (aka china telecom) donkey poop.

As for wifi etc conspiracy theories - asians are notoriously addicted to their mobile phones - way beyond the point of rudeness (aka offensive). Mobile phones have been around for at least 10 years - we should have seen consistent chronic issues, isolated/uncoupled from other issues (eg sars, bird flu, etc). Although the mobile industry is incredibly powerful - it would be difficult to cover up consistent chronic illnesses attributable solely to the mobile wireless lifestyle.

Of course there will always be special cases of hypersensitivity - and although the USA completely bamboozled the globe with it's fake WMA invasion of Iraq - I still find it difficult to see a consistent pattern of long-term/chronic physiological impacts from chronic mobile/wifi usage - aside from a massive increase in poor social etiquette.

prd34 (59 posts) • 0

Actually, Mobile Phones have been around since the late 70s in some countries — so we could actually say 30 plus years (though it does take 10 years of usage before your risk of getting a brain tumor starts to increase). In the USA, the first nation-wide commercial cell phone network rolled out in 1984 — along with the first Apple computer and interestingly the MRI machine. It was also the first year numerous people across the USA became ill with what was dubbed "Yuppie Flu" by the media only to be given the dubious name of "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" four years later in 1988.

Well, some do say we have better diagnostics these days、though I am not too sure I buy that argument. In the 70s one in 10,000 children suffered from Autism. Today it is anywhere between one in fifty to one in 100 depending on which country you are talking about. Numerous kids now also suffer from Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD). Last study I saw back in 2004 said that 40 million Americans took sleeping pills and that was up 60% from the year 2000. Also, in 2004 brain tumors surpassed leukemia as the leading cause of cancer deaths in children. And then you have all these depressed people now taking antidepressants, which as of 2005, was the most widely prescribed drug in the USA with 118 million prescriptions. "Adult use of antidepressants almost tripled between the periods 1988-1994 and 1999-2000. Between 1995 and 2002, the most recent year for which statistics are available, the use of these drugs rose 48 percent, the CDC reported."

articles.cnn.com/[...]

Google "Kempten West" for a possible explanation. Well, if you put a frog in boiling water, it will jump out because it is noticeably hot. If you put a frog in cold water, and slowly heat the water, you can cook the frog because it will not notice that it is being cooked.

colinflahive (167 posts) • 0

Laotou, it took me a couple times to read through your post to realize that you were not calling me a middle management imbecilic moron, but now I think I get what you are saying.

So when I started this post over three years ago, China Telecom was saying we had too many computers on one ADSL line and we would have to apply to become an internet cafe and pay 12,000 per year. So we came up with the internet table system as a way to get around the rules. I'm not sure they would still enforce this if we went back to wireless; but to be honest, getting rid of wireless has proven to be much better for our business.

We are in a very small space and have only four good tables downstairs that seat four each. When we had wireless, these tables would be taken up all day, usually by only one person, while families and other groups would have to go upstairs. The communal internet table frees up these four tables but still offers a space for those who wish to use Salvador's for internet.

I know sometimes it's a pain in the ass, even for us when we want to go online, but we are making the most of our 78 square meters. Sorry for any inconvenience.

laotou (1714 posts) • 0

@colin:
Sorry about that - I see China Telecom's point and withdraw my imbecilic moron comment about them being moronic imbeciles, but reserve the right to apply it again - after all, I'm a moronic imbecile and that's what we do. Thanks for clarifying - it makes sense when you put it that way.

As for wifi - it's nice to have - but nobody at Salvadors will die without it.

Your staff are generally very well trained, diligent, helpful, and all seem to have happy dispositions and good work ethics - dunno what you did to train them - but I enjoy Salvadors infinitely more than free wifi french cafe (which also has it's niche), simply because the staff make it a pleasant place to relax, eat, and watch people. Your staff just seem happy - as opposed to the chronic pervasive bored and would rather be elsewhere attitudes of most restaurant staff.

Thanks for consistently running a great hangout - and for including your blurb about how Salvadors does it's part to "give back to the community" in the middle of your menus - nice touch.

Now if I could just quit banging my head against the padded rafters upstairs...but - the mild concussions are my excuse for being a moronic imbecile and other social faux pas (aka public smoking, spitting, drunkenness, social flatulence, and being an aloof rude unfriendly dweeb when gaoxing wannabees lurk around looking for free poon tang mentors).

laotou (1714 posts) • 0

As for the USA - rife with genetically modified foods, laced with chemicals (hormones, steroids) - tough to isolate that element out from an objective study...and yeah - I was using sprint (I think) back in 1987-1988 - bloody expensive back then.

My comment about asia was more focused on China and India - lower per capita countries with higher population densities than say a HK or Taiwan (did you know the cellular penetration in Taiwan is a little over 100% - 23 million cell phones & subscriptions for 22 million people). Ever so slightly regret the mislead - but I have a mild concussion from the last time I whacked my head on the low hanging rafters at Salvadors.

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