thargg, do you consider "might" to be any sort of proof? Lot's of things "might" be true, but is that the best you can do?

"Aliens could never travel the distances involved" - How I love that little get out clause. Time to open you minds guys - They might just be from HERE to start with but with a dimensional twist.

You UFO zelots sure talk up a big game, considering your field is barely considered a credible science. Put up or shut up, and you'll have to do better than pyramids and crop circles...

Yes sacuepan I think most of us can agree that there are flying objects which are identified, such as birds, planes, pigs etc, and there is also a group of flying objects which are as yet unidentified. To claim that any flying object that has not yet been identified is evidence of extraterrestrial intelligent life is both logically incorrect and misleading. It is simply unidentified, and remains as such until such time that it may be identified.

And what does taking a cursory glance through the ages prove, except that throughout history there were things we were unsure of, and tried to make explanations for?
You seem to take it as a given that UFO's and glancing through the ages proves the existence of extraterrestrial life, but to me it looks more like an article of faith, akin to a religion.
And you might want to be a bit more thoughtful about who you call uneducated.

Oh just one more question dear chap if you would'nt mind?

Do you believe in God Danmairen?

My dear danmairen, curious you have made me given this statement made by your good self

"DOESN'T qualify as a good scientist unless his claims can be backed up by good solid science. Science and tests that can be backed up by other scientists."

Do you believe in anthropogenic global warming and the science/scientists that back it up?

why are UFO matters invariably couched in terms of believers and sceptics?

we agree that the universe is .... very large.

we know that there are more stars than there are grains of sand on planet Earth.

we know life exists in more and more of the most inhospitable areas on THIS planet.

if you've seen a UFO - you 'know' they exist and it's no longer a question of belief.

WHAT UFO's actually are is the question and not 'Do they exist'

anyone who's taken even a cursory glance at art through the ages, at myth and legend is overwhelmed with the avalance of credible information.

sceptics - in this matter - aren't being sceptical - they're just oddly uneducated.

"You sir, Danmeiren, have the mentality of the kind of people that denied that the Earth was round. It doesn't take a genius to realize that UFOs are a very much possibly real."

No I haven't and if you had bothered to read my post then you probably would have realized that the second part of your statement is wrong also (when you use it to refer to me).

The first part you write is just ridiculous sorry. How is it wrong to want some kind of scientific proof to wild and weird claims? Although there is a theory that space can be bent doesn't mean that it IS true. Less that organized matter such as spaceships and organic organisms can use them for teleportal travelling. As a matter of fact wormholes and instant travelling breaks just about every physical law outthere but I am sure that people like you can find some awkward pseudo-scientific theory as to why it should be possible.

Again let me point out that I don't deny that there by all means should be intelligent life other than us in the universe. I just don't think they are visiting us and it is highly unlikely that they ever will within the lifespan of an intelligent civilization.

I'll be very happy to be proven wrong one day if we actually do make first contact but I have a feeling you and the other True Believers outthere will do whatever it takes (even a fight against reality) NOT to be proven wrong.

Either way this discussion is kinda irrelevant since only one thing can happen that satisfies both sides. Contact with intelligent life. Still I have to say that the idea of shapeshifting alien robots doesn't immediately win me over. Strange huh?

"At the heart of hip hop"it sounds like dude hek considers you never need to wear clothes because you have a powerfull heart to support you think that you just need to dress up "at you,dude hek's heart". Oh my godness that's ridiculous.It seem that you can not only understand the true essence of hip-hop, but also the life. What a pity

So Jesse, are you saying you actually believe it? Since the possibility of it could never be disproved, are you saying you actually think it is true that shape shifting aliens live and walk among us?
You Sir/ Madam seem to have the menality of an Easter Islander...and look what became of them...

Why would an advanced civilization utilize propulsion as means to travel through space? Wouldn't they be able to have a vast understanding of physics that they might create technology that enables them to bypass millions of light-years in a matter of seconds. And yes, I understand that nothing can travel faster than light(who knows if this is even correct), but how about making shortcuts by making wormholes in space? After all, space has been theoretically shown to be able to be bent.

You sir, Danmeiren, have the mentality of the kind of people that denied that the Earth was round. It doesn't take a genius to realize that UFOs are a very much possibly real.

Rumor has it that on November 27, 2009, Obama will have a televised 2-hour event and disclosure that we are not alone. Google "november 27 ufo disclosure". We shall see. The time is at hand.

Perhaps our Mr Capp is himself a shape-shifting alien robot......

Dear Joseph Capp

First of all. How do you get to the conclusion that "I know nothing about the subject" because I question someone claiming that shape-shifters and alien robots walk amongst us? I love people like you who aren't even able to see what a ridiculous statement that it.

You are clearly more biased than me since you already proudly have referred to your blog from which one can only deduce that you are a firm believer in UFOs (and since you attack me for doubting shapeshifting alien robots I have to assume that you belive they exist too).

"Maybe this good physicist look at he evidence which most close minded scientist will not entertain". How do you know he is a Good Physicist? Because he is one of the very few scientists who share your beliefs? I can tell you that he DOESN'T qualify as a good scientist unless his claims can be backed up by good solid science. Science and tests that can be backed up by other scientists.

The only thing you get right in your post is your final comment about the box. I would actually LOVE to find out that there are aliens and that they visit us regularly. The difference between you and me is that I don't mistake my interest and hopes with seeing interstellar crafts, little green men and EVIDENCE everywhere I look.

Oh,, and just for the record I do not doubt that there is intelligent life out there. Even by using the most conservative estimates in the Drake equation the number of planets harbouring life in the universe always ends up in hundreds of thousands.

The problem with the truly unimaginable distances in the universe prevents them from ever visiting us,, or us them. Either way I find it hard to belive they would develop their space travel ability, spend hundreds of years in cryostasis in space while travelling to Earth only to make a crop circle, probe a cow and then it is back home without making any contact.

But of course if they are here as shape-shifting alien robots then that should solve the problem.

...calling Orson, come in Orson