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@Xiefei: I agree, it's complex - Beijing simply does not have some imaginary, or even theoretical, complete top-down control - but it all lies under a global mega-'system' (not fully systematic, as no systems ever can be). I simply think it's worthwhile to try to understand what that is, and understand that it's not simply Human Nature.

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@Geezer: I think it's your place to say what you think so that others can deal with it, perhaps learn from it.

I don't think I've mentioned external influences, but global ones - nobody's on the outside.
I'm unclear as to what the ideology running China actually is.
At what point will pollution be a more serious issue than 'instability'? Do we really have to choose between one and the other? Maybe - matter of priorities, and what any 'instability' could or would lead to.

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If you could, but you can't. I've tried to bring up a few issues as to why this is the case - and unless you think you'd be the individual who could & would take care of everything as global leader (in which case, with the current world system in place, or another one that may evolve negatively from it, I doubt if anybody would trust you), I suggest you think about how to produce a 'system' in which your suggestions could effectively contribute to actually solving the problem.

In the short run, kudos to the woman who made the doco - seems she did what she could, and this may directly or indirectly lead to the empowerment necessary to deal with the problem - though, hmm, seems the doco has disappeared...unless Gompo is right, which would be nice.
Your move - discussion is a move in the direction I suggest. I don't have a video camera.

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I kind of liked the atmosphere around the old Workers' Cultural Palace, and I'm not seduced by the identification of tall buildings with 'progress'. As for the name - "what's in a name"? Perhaps the state might ease off a bit about presenting us all with the identities that they would like us to have.

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@ Tiger: as you say, for many societies. But the issue of wealth and power often seems to play a part in differing levels of religious attachment among different classes and subgroups within a 'people' as well, as well as in differing types and degrees of attachment.

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Religions from 'abroad' have been accepted all over the place for a long time - e.g., the acceptance of forms of Christianity by Germans, Ethiopians, Mexicans, etc. at different times in history. The idea of climate change is different, unless you want to categorize scientific methodology itself as a religious doctrine, which can lead to an interesting philosophical argument, but I don't think we ought to go into it here.

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@ octobersky: OK, but the fact is that religious beliefs change over time anyway, at least partially as a function of changes in material circumstances - e.g., rain gods are just not going to remain as important to people who, in their daily lives, are decreasingly reliant on rainfall. So I don't think it can all be seen as a simple matter of native-religion-appropriate/religion-from-outside bad - it's not simply some matter of 'brainwashing' imposed from the outside, since a real 'brainwash' would require complete control over local minds etc., which is always an impossibility, even with a lot more information control than any bunch of missionaries ever had.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.