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Forums > Food & Drink > Thanksgiving Dinners out

In many places, from a primarily religious holiday to a primarily family&friends one. Over 1000 years ago it changed from a mostly religious marking of the Winter solstice to a (religious) Christian holiday. But then it, and other things, has different meaning for different people (for kids it may just mean getting more stuff, for many it may mean a good excuse to party, etc.)

Thanksgiving quite obviously means different things to different people (Americans, non-Americans, Native Americans, food freaks, family freaks, restaurant owners, patriots, Christians, patriot/Christian & Christian/patriot Americans who can't separate the 2 in their heads, etc.). For most people in the US I think it's probably an American-nationalist thing, among others, & is probably that for non-Americans who pay attention to it as well, though one without too much flag-waving - still, it's sort of used to sacralize the nation.

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Forums > Food & Drink > Thanksgiving Dinners out

Gompo's right - modern human use of animals as merely objectivized matter is pretty disgusting. Interesting that this is counteracted by people's sentimentality and generally good relations with their pets. Makes one appreciate people who merely hunt for food, or even traditional animal-raising farmers.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Good (English-speaking) hospitals in Kunming?

@I would advise against the Skin disease hospital on Renminxilu - I couldn't get a clear diagnosis out of them and spent some money on meds that worked and some on meds that didn't seem to do much of anything. They use a combination of Trad. Chinese Med. & modern scientific med, which might have something to say for it but in my instance I never felt they were really clear about what they were doing. I'm sure they could do a simple mole surgery though.

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@ redjon: OK, I agree.
@ForeignGuy: (1) I appreciate the problem, but it's possible to know a language and control its use in the classroom. (2) What about living in KM? Don't know your Chinese ability, but I'm not pretending everybody become fluent, which is the kind of irrational and impossible goal that has kept friends of mine from learning any Chinese at all - and that is a stupid mistake. On the other hand, if you can only buy things in the market in Chinese etc. you are shortchanging yourself, as well as those you attempt to communicate with and live among.

Although I have studied at Keats and find it's the bet place to study Chinese in Kunming that I know of, the article sounds a bit like a plug for Keats.
As for studying Chinese, imagine how idiotic it would be to live in any country for more than about 6 months and not be abler to hold a conversation in that country's language.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.