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Forums > Living in Kunming > Is there anyone with a drink problem?

Fair enough on not accepting the apology, like I said my bad on mixing the two of you up—very different circumstances than if it was the OP. Seriously GK, can we get a delete or edit function up and running?

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Is there anyone with a drink problem?

Okay... so, the severe language of the post in question aside—the guy apologized for things getting nasty and then people turn around and call him a freak? I'd expect that from a 14 year old on an online forum, not a guy who's worked with people in AA.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Is there anyone with a drink problem?

1) You're correct, evidence shows AA is not as effective as many other treatment. Other studies, however, find that people resistant to other types of clinical treatment (for whatever reason—biological, social, what have you) do find the support network and yes, the substitution dependency, are the only alternatives they have that work. This can be especially true among people who do not have the funds to seek out proper clinical treatment or lack the social-system that promotes mental health awareness.

2) Yep, there are profoundly disturbing things wrong with AA. There are also profoundly disturbing outcomes (suicide in particular) to taking different types of anti-psychotics or traditional clinical treatments, but we prescribe them anyway.

3) Working in mental health is largely about finding a middle road that works. We have VERY little idea of how the mind actually works and how different treatments affect different people (drugs that work on Europeans for example cause mass depression among Asian populations).

And as for checkmate... if winning the GK debate makes you feel better, enjoy it. I have actual work in mental health research to work on... you know, the kind that never depends on winning or losing, but on advancing how we approach the topic. Cheers. Enjoy Sals.

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It equally seems inappropriate that in a country where people struggle to get adequate nutrition that by you have people driving jaguars & BMWs and innumerable Gucci/Prada/Louis Vuitton boutiques...not to mention the obsessions with smartphones.... c'est la vie I suppose.

So, after a few weeks of trying to get over the shock of the site looking so different, I have to say I still am loathe to come onto GoKunming with the new look. Don't get me wrong, there are great improvements and the site design has some pluses... however, it is not a site design that works with large multicolored advertisements running everywhere. The dark background of the older site made these seem less garish, but the new light color gradually just means that all I see is the ads.

As a second (related) note, this site does look nice on touch devices, but the lack of framing (like the old site had) can make going through the forums or classifieds an irritating experience.

best of luck in the growing pains.

jojio,

yes, the observatory is part of the Chinese Academy of Sciences and is open for educational visits to the public. They have a great observation tower with a sun telescope you can view (which is 7 flights of stairs up an old Maoist era tower—very cool), as well as an older but still cool IMAX dome-style theater where you watch some films about movement of the stars in Yunnan (all in Chinese). There aren't any foreign staff, so the tour would be entirely in thick Kungminghau. There is also a great hole in the wall museum with old astronomical instruments, some meteor fragments and a few exhibits on Chinese astronomy.

When I was there 2 months ago, the old road the connects the observatory to the city had been torn out and we had to drive on muddy clay. It's also pretty far out (near the airportish), and the facility is OLD. Most of the scientists/their families/support staff are really friendly, and most had never seen a foreign visitor before.

If you have enough people who are interested, we could get a minibus and arrange a tour via their sister Zoological institute on Jiaochang Donglu.

I wouldnt exactly call all non-Euro/American principles of land ownership fair and equitable either. Many cultures have cut up the land they lived on and turned oases into deserts—definitely not a new "western" phenomenon. That said, in general the issue of the moon has been settled in principle by international conventions, but enforcement wasn't really included because no one has yet figured out how to extract resources from space and get them back to earth at a reasonable cost. Out of sheer curiosity though, what would be terrible about a country/company owning an asteroid and mining it? Don't get me wrong, seeing the coca-cola logo on the moon wouldn't be fun, but we are not nearly into that realm yet.

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Slight unrated update here... I was in again and spoke to Sandra's partner, and he agreed there could be a greater selection of items (especially meat/cheese-wise) so he mentioned that several new products would be coming out shortly. So, not to say that dudeson's review was inaccurate (given his description, it's an entirely fair assessment from his experience), but mostly just to report that there should be some things worth going back to try.