except it is a problem encountered by us. so it becomes more subjective, and looking at some ot the retoric that is very clear

fgm, honor killing etc. wrong in our eyes. illegal in thier laws. but still part of the culture. still happening. so by contrast smoking is small fry.

kill someone and it usally costs 60k rmb. unless the stiff was from a rich family, and even then.

or if that learning is rammed down our throats? its not what we learn its the way that we learned it. if we wanna learn we will. if peolpe get our backs up we won;t. i bet a lot of people leaned some manners from tv, even american tv. i bet if a japanese tried to teach a chinese something there would be a fight, and the behaviour would continue as almost a badge of pride (passive aggressive). a bit like you tell you chef how to cook and he then spits in the porridge.

agree they gotta change, but the have to change themselves. its not our job to TEACH them. societies evolve with a little input from other cultures. but not when that culture is forced upon them. ask the guys from shinjiang