Forums > Living in Kunming > Coloradans and guns I have semi changed my mind in that I can understand better laotou's point about having a gun as a preventative for normal citizens in a country where gun control is fragmented (different states, different controls, yet no cross state border searches) resulting in a proliferation of the weapons. However I never feel safe visiting America as I am aware of the gun proliferation.
But I have lived in a country that went through a near "free for all" attitude to gun control to a "highly controlled" attitude - in the response to mass killings at home and abroad. While my father bitterly complained (he owned many rifles for hunting including semi automatics which I was bought up with and used on rabbits/possums/other pests frequently - my family were/are very much in pro gun circles) at the time about increased gun controls (basically he had to have yearly assessments by police/psychologists etc to continue having a semi automatic weapon), he now sees that his country is much safer by the increased control of weapons, has got rid of his semi automatic rifle and has changed more to pro gun control. His reason for getting rid of his semi automatics was that he didn't want them to ever be stolen and fall into the hands of criminals - not something he really ever thought about before, and the onerous requirements of ownership. He now owns 3 rifles .22, .22 magnum and a .308 which he uses for deer, rabbits, pigs and possums (a pest in New Zealand, sorry Aussies!). He now has to keep his weapons in a locked steel vault, the bolts and ammunition in 2 separate locations. Basically he couldn't use the weapons for defence of his property/life, but doesn't feel he would need to as it is highly unlikely now that intruders would be armed and he lives a lot happier life with that knowledge.
When the laws changed to virtually outlaw private ownership of assault weapons/hand guns etc in my country there was a government amnesty where for (I may be wrong) about 2 years illegal weapons could be handed into any police station. After that time ownership of these weapons without the proper licenses (basically you have to be a member of a gun club to gain access to the weapons and even then are constantly assessed by police etc, to fire a weapon requires a well regulated license) would result in jail time and destruction of the weapons. The laws surrounding these weapons make casual ownership of them so onerous, and the punishments so large that owning them becomes too much of a hassle. Added to this the guns are virtually impossible to buy and the societal cues telling you that gun ownership makes you a "crazy", uptake of weapon ownership by young people has dropped dramatically. Go to any rifle club in my country and the owners are generally middle aged men.
The result of the law change stemming from a massacre in 1990 was staggering from a national psyche perspective, particularly those that were pro gun. In a few short years owning a gun designed for offence/defence turned from something "cool and sometimes necessary" to being very very uncool and if you still had one illegally you were looked at as a paranoid psychopath. People felt a LOT safer. Gun violence dropped dramatically. However we do, on occasion, still have gun violence, usually when a weapon has not been secured properly and/or falls into criminal/unstable persons hands or accidental hunting deaths. And there are still quite a few floating around illegally, but that number diminishes every year.
You see, pro gun people, I have lived through an era of tightening gun controls in a democratic free thinking country. The result is NOT doom and gloom, it is quite the opposite. The country prospers as a result through less gun violence and (probably more importantly) a shift in the psyche of people who own guns from a militarized pro gun warmongering type attitudes (I include a few of my relatives in this) to a much more even, clear headed, thinking, peaceful people. Thats why I can see that defending gun ownership based on antiquated notions of defence or irrelevant dissonant arguments shows you are stuck in the same paradigm many in my own country were previously, which makes me sad. So Texas Boy, have I changed my mind? NO!
Laos extradites drug suspects to Yunnan
发布者But to the story - I had no idea that different provinces could implement laws differently! There should be no way for Yunnan to be more lenient than other provinces, that is a severe failure of the Chinese justice system (or the Chinese guanxi based punishment system, whichever you prefer!).
Laos extradites drug suspects to Yunnan
发布者I have taken drugs before, LSD when I was younger. My friends did also. That was over 15 years ago now and all of us are now fully capable and contributing members of society today. Not one of us had our relationships break down or adverse affects of our drug taking, which occurred 1-3 times for all of us before we all made a pact not to ever do it again after a bad experience.
So we should all be executed HFCAMPO? Or is there a statute of limitations for your new law? Or do you decide how it is implemented? What if you found out your son/daughter was peer pressured into taking a drug. Instant execution? You are OK with that?
Your broad sweeping assumptions "Casual drug users do affect others you just don't know about it." should be the downfall of your argument.
Laos extradites drug suspects to Yunnan
发布者Alien, there is a clear definition of a troll, look it up. Because others use it here when they should not, is not my problem.
HFCAMPO posted that all drug users should be put to death and he has just said that the statement is not sarcastic. If you do not believe that fits into a category of being "deliberately inflammatory to provoke reaction", I aren't sure what is. He has stated a zero tolerance, capital punishment extremist viewpoint. He then insulted me for telling a simple anecdote, in another attempt to provoke a reaction.
This would be fine if he framed his statements as a matter of opinion. But he has done it with a tone which brooks no argument so that it is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. You can tell this because he simply insults anyone who disagrees with him, even in the slightest. He then stated that he is an expert on the matter as he willingly joined an army and worked in the area. And this army was controlled by a government which exhorts the exact opposite of the values he purports to uphold. Either he holds two different viewpoints simultaneously or holds one and deliberately posts the other to provoke a response. I am fairly certain it is the latter.
Is it your genuine opinion HFCAMPO that all drug users should be put to death? My anecdote still holds, just replace "smoking a joint" with "popping a tab of acid". Do you believe all young people who are peer pressured into taking LSD, for instance, should be put to death?
Laos extradites drug suspects to Yunnan
发布者A troll HFCAMPO is someone who posts something on a thread in order to deliberately cause a reaction. Clearly your first 2 posts were exactly that, you somewhat clarified your position in the third post, but not at all clearly, it appears you were being sarcastic?
You have started an inflammatory discussion, appeared to have changed your mind, insulted me for simply adding an anecdote after reading your first posts...
And you still have the temerity to call others trolls?
It appears you get a buzz out of being a troll yourself then pretending you are not. The only one who is laughing is yourself, in your own head, the rest of us are shaking our head in wonderment. I guess the joke is on me for being your troll bait.
Laos extradites drug suspects to Yunnan
发布者And you have the temerity to call others trolls HFCAMPO?