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Forums > Living in Kunming > Cycling in Kunming

I agree with blubbfisk, shiny frames and shitty locks. The best thing to do is make ya bike look like someone can't sell it. Chances are that if you buy a new bike, it will look re-sellable for the first few months. This is the incentive for bike theft - resale value. I have seen a few times (outside North Railway Station) a women asking people if they need a cheap new bicycle (these are people riding pretty crap bikes stopped at the lights). I have a strong suspicion she is part of a bike theft gang...

I have 5 year old XT 10,000RMB (when new) mountain bike that is scratched up, I have put duct tape on the frame and keep it dirty. For almost a year I have been leaving it in all manner of places all over Kunming locked up with a normal bike lock to trees/lamposts etc. Never had anyone try and steal it and I suspect its for 2 reasons - bike thieves don't know their bike gear and they won't be able to easily resell it.

If you have your own MTB that looks a bit old, bring it. Chances are it won't be nicked because resale is impossible. If you buy a new bike here and want to leave it in random places - say goodbye to it every time you lock it to something with a local lock as you possibly won't get it back.

Cycling in Kunming is also really easy (not much in the way of hills) and I find it to be mostly pleasant. You have traffic all over the place from all directions at all times, but once you are used to this its quite easy and you can utilize it for when you want to go the wrong way against traffic too! I get knocked off my bike a LOT more by cars in the west than I do in Asia because drivers are a lot more aware of motorbikes/cyclists here - no cyclist rage.

Oh yeah - the OP didn't say weather they had a road bike or MTB - MTB is the better option here around the city (inconsistent road conditions), however I know some roadies who have some nice routes out of the city on what they say are really good roads. Either is fine but most people (including locals) buy mountain bikes here.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > High-End laptop PC

I have a high end Dell laptop which I bought in NZ about a year ago. I saw the same laptop in a number of Dell authorised dealers in HK the last time I was there so would second tigers comment about going to HK.

The problem with checking all your internal components in a laptop however is that they are a mission to get into and may void the warranty unless they are opened by an authorised person from the computer manufacturer. If its common practice to swap components in China, I would want it opened too, but doing so may be a mission... so I would second tigers comment and wait until my next trip to HK or Thailand where this is much less likely.

Another thing you could do however is download a program (or use a USB) before you leave the store with it that gives you a readout of the system information. The windows Accessories-System Tools-System Information will usually tell you most things but more indepth tools are available (telling you RAM manufacturer etc), something like www.belarc.com/free_download.html or www.gtopala.com/. This info is pretty damn hard to spoof so you should be able to rely on it.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Psychology behind Chinese street behavior

My girlfriend told me that people don't help because of the legal precedents that have been set in China with people that have previously helped others. The Chinese courts have ruled in the past the the helper is liable for the care of the injured person - even though they had nothing to do with the accident. This came about when someone was hit by a person in a car who then drove off. Someone came to help the victim who then claimed later (probably to avoid the hospital bill) that the person who helped them was the same person that hit them. When this went to court the courts found in favour of the victim, not the helper. My girlfriend tells me there were a few high profile cases of this in a short period of time about 5 or 6 years ago, since then noone is willing to help others for fear of becoming a victim themselves. On top of that, group think kicks in really quickly here, if one person stands back, everyone stands back. I suspect if one person got involved quickly to save someone, everyone would get involved. And another problem is hardly anyone knows basic first aid here, so they probably think "I want to do something, but I really have no idea what and I could hurt the person more if I tried... maybe just record on my phone for the police/ambulance".

I have also observed Chinese people appear to be less sympathetic to people or animals in pain. Generally here there is a lesser respect for pain in others (although in the west sometimes we can be too empathetic) or even deaths of people they don't know (unless its hundreds or thousands of people). This is probably a social consequence of a massive population, but who knows?

I don't think Liumingke1234's comment is valid, I really don't see Chinese people being sadistic.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > GoKunming feedback

- Oh yeah, your Features/News/Travel pages (clicking on the links on the top) are all pretty bad for navigation. Recommend these are changed to have the photo that appears on your homepage for each story for the first 10 ordered by date. Add a tag map to the bottom which will enable the user to click to whichever tag interests them (like at the bottom of the Homepage) but restricted to only that section. Put a search at the top that restricts only to that section too. You could display search results in the same way with the pictures of the first top 10 items (2 columns probably 5 deep). Would make the pages actually interesting to look at rather than 40 lines of text to wade through.

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I think we would be upset if something disastrous didn't happen! Wonder if you could make a business selling subway survival suits... some sort of step into suit with tonnes of pillows sewn to the outside and a huge helmet. The suit could be strapped to the inside of the train in case of sudden changes in speed as a result of derailment!

Someone should do a video on the extreme sport of riding subways in China. "At anytime, this train could jump off the tracks, or a support column could collapse, or a parking building could fall down... this is dofu dregg construction... this is EXTREME SUBWAY RIDING"... and then just be sitting on the subway, looking worried. You could string it together with heaps of radical camera movements and some slowed down footage of stepping onto the train.

Whose game to ride the subway in the first 6 months?

I can't find any decent info on Kunming regarding house prices, but we could definitely guesstimate a little.

Current house prices come in about 8600-9500 per msq. Average house size, say 2 bedrooms would be around 60 sqm = 516K-570K kuai.

Average salary is around 2500 kuai a month = 32,500 kuai a year (assuming 13 months, common to be paid an extra month for chun jie). Median multiple ration approx 16:1 - internationally still unaffordable. Remember that historically, until recently, the international median multiple ratio was 3:1!

How close am I?

tallamerican touches on the things that I am talking about.

The banks in America were doing some rather disturbing lending, lending over up to or over 100% of property values based on the idea that property values would always rise. I know because I worked with the heads of lending for a bank in NZ - they would often go to big conferences and hear what others were doing. These banks were delusional about house prices, believing they would always rise is failing to see that real estate is simply another capitalist based market, which means it will work in boom/bust cycles, the magnitude of the cycles usually being decided by speculators.

China is in a situation now where its economy is growing and has been for a good long while now. Their economic growth has resulted in massive infrastructure and housing development. But the market is now both saturated with new houses and suffering from a lack of real buyers - people that will live in and own the house. It is being driven by speculation from rich people who own many houses as investments, most of them have the same belief that real estate prices will only ever go one way, partly because for the past 20-40 years thats what it has done. At the same time Chinese growth is slowing, while still outstripping the west by a long way, a large chunk of the growth comes from one market - real estate. Add to this Chinas rising personal credit and you have potential for house price catastrophe.

The prices also speak for themselves. The median multiple ratio in China is beginning to be rather ridiculous (this measure median income to median property value). In my country, this is over 8:1 (8 times the median income to get the median house price) which is considered "unaffordable". In many Chinese cities this ratio is 20+:1, ridiculously unaffordable. In a place like Singapore or HK this is OK due to extremely limited land and such high demand for it, but in a place like Kunming... that sort of ratio will guarantee one thing - empty buildings.

This from the guy that predicted the housing market collapse in the US and the recession:

"No country can be productive enough to reinvest 50% of GDP in new capital stock without eventually facing immense overcapacity and a staggering non-performing loan problem. China is rife with overinvestment in physical capital, infrastructure and property. To a visitor, this is evident in sleek but empty airports and bullet trains, highways to nowhere, thousands of colossal new central and provincial government buildings, ghost towns and brand new aluminium smelters kept closed to prevent global prices from plunging."

At the same time though I completely agree with Danmairen:

"...predicting what's going to happen in China it's a bit like putting on a blindfold, aim, and hope the dart ends up somewhere in the general direction of the board"

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So fast, so convenient. One star off for opening before the train station stop is connected!

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Wow, just wow. Possibly the best Chinese food I have had in Kunming. And in one of the nicest, traditional courtyard style restaurant I have been in. A woman dressed in traditional qi pao playing a gu zheng just adds to it.

We had okra, mushroom soup, dried beef and chou dofu. All top notch with the bill coming in at just over 250 kuai. But we could have fed 3 people for that so not too bad at about 80-90 kuai each. Not the cheapest but for the quality, it's damn good.

If you have people visiting and want to take them to a traditional Chinese style restaurant with Yunnan style food, or want a romantic night out with a gal, you can't go wrong here. Close to Green Lake (down a little alley) for a romantic walk... Just perfect.

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Pretty good place for getting all your documents translated and/or notarised. Note that there are a number of notaries in the building which you can find by going up the stairs (the elevators are impossible). But you have to find the stairs to do so... go in the door, head over to the right, go up the big wide stairs which head up a floor, turn right then right again into the elevator area and right again into the stairwells. Whew!

One point off for the elevators never being available and having to hike 7-9 flights of stairs (not good if you have to go 3-4 times a day like I often did!)

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This does not stop at the Jinanya hotel at Da Shang Hui as the flyers state (and is on the images tab here). They need to have another stop in the same area or else they are missing out on covering a big chunk of the city.

You can take another bus, the 919C, I believe, if you are nearby Da Shang Hui, which leaves from the bus station on HeHong Lu, nearby the Qianxing road intersection. This bus goes every hour and is white, found at the western end of the station. It is operated by a different company and takes about 1 hour 10 minutes to get to the airport due to a large number of stops especially near the airport.

Great bus though if you can catch it!

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Friendly people, even got to the talk to the vice consulate, who told me she had done a stint in Malaysia's Siberian Consulate!

English is spoken by some of the Chinese girls working at the desk who are pleasant to deal with. I assume they do Visa's as well but I wasn't here for a visa, this time!