Huh? I was just asking if you got confused for a minute, geez.

I don't understand what you are saying now, that crime rates in two completely different countries has something to do with the demographic differences of those countries? I don't think you know what point you are even trying to make anymore and have shifted the goal posts a bit more to make yourself sound less wrong.

You could just say "whoops, I messed up" but TBH it sounds like your ego would never allow such a thing.

Eat some humble pie dude, its fine to be wrong, its even more fine to admit when you are. You have changed my views a few times through presenting solid arguments, but it sounds like you are becoming more rambling and less coherent. Maybe getting a bit old? Also fine.

Uhhhh laotou, you refer to "crime rate". Crime is mostly referred to as a RATE. A rate of what? Amount of crime in terms of population.

So saying "the crime rate" doesn't reflect the population is stupid, the crime rate already includes the population. You are saying "yes, but the 1 in 100k people murder rate does not reflect the population". Uhh.... its 1 in 100k people... it is, at its heart, a statistic that is based on population. That does not mean that if one country has 1 in 100k murders per year, another should have 5 in 100k because its population is 5x the size to be "even", it means that they both should have the same crime rate to be "even".

You are a smart guy, did you have a brain fart or are you baiting?

Geez Alien, really?

In my country I could have done all these things today (having the environment and services for them). Kayaks in clean seas and rivers, kite surfed, wave surfed, played tennis (for free, if I have the gear), squash, golf (for a reasonable price), rock climbed (indoor or outdoor), mountain biked on properly formed trails, taken a kung fu course, watched 2 types of live international sports, watched a super star sing, hiked/ran/biked in beautiful forest, skydived, taken a pottery/cooking class, gone to a food festival, gone to 2 different fairs, gone to a circus, gone to a zoo (with rare and cared for animals), volunteered on quite a few conservation and lifestyle projects, seen about 3 different live performances from a symphony to local play... So many options it's not funny.

And I am only in a city of less than half a million. There was a video of a wealthy Chinese millionaire who lived in the US who literally stated that most Western countries are like Chinese gardens. I have also heard this from Chinese tourists and my wife.

It's no surprise that they want to leave. Think about it. 2 choices:

1. Live in a country where the air is polluted so badly I can't breathe, the water is not advisable to drink, the food is so polluted I have to import good food, the lifestyle options are limited and at any time in the future my government could take my wealth. Where my children will be educated but also indoctrinated. On the plus side, I know/understand/love the culture and language, have friends and high social standing.

2. Live in a country where you can drink the water, eat the food (because of appropriate government controls), where the air is breathable, where the environment is like a park, lifestyle options are virtually unlimited. Here my kids will be freer thinkers, like the laowais I met last year. In the new country property and individual rights underpin the entire legal system, making it highly unlikely the government could ever take my "hard earned" wealth. On the minus side I will be in a new and strange environment, will miss my culture and friends, however there are so many Chinese like me there now, I can make new friends!

And all it takes currently is selling one of my 3 Shanghai apartments that I have, thanks to the ridiculous property bubble.

It's not hard to see why they would leave, I just dislike that they have exported their property bubble to other countries. Other than this I don't consider it a bad thing either, it should be a wake up call to the Chinese government.

Clearly its beautilation.