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Forums > Food & Drink > Western-run places in KM too expensive?

@ Dudeson: Note that Salvador's trains their own staff, and does it very thoroughly and very well, which is certainly one reason why they stay on as long as they do. There are further reasons for the latter, including staff outings as far away as Chiang Mai, and this is commendable.

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@ Geezer: the following is the question I was referring to:

"'anyway the maximation of profit isn't the only goal?'

"Is this a question?"

Yes.

The thread title is an inquiry, and it's been a good discussion. 'Too expensive' is indeed subjective. I understand my present choices, and don't mean to be whining and bitching - just raising questions as to the subjective impressions of others. Yes, I frequent some Western-run places in Kunming and will continue to do so.

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Forums > Food & Drink > Western-run places in KM too expensive?

@ Geezer: OK, interesting discussion, but I think we might continue it elsewhere (another thread, if anybody's interested) as we're both getting away from my original query. Anyway, your disagreement with me about profit and wages - think I was mistaken as far as the AMOUNT of profit is concerned, although not about the RATE of profit (i.e., percentage of intake that is profit).

Answer to your question: yes, I meant to ask a question.

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Seems to me that the clearance of this market is, on balance, a good thing, but such determined activity by the chengguan, apparently carried out in the unnecessarily rough manner which has been their trademark, must have been at the orders of some serious source in government or Party, at some level. Would like to know what level that was, and why it all seems to have come down so vigorously and all at once (the timing, just before Chunjie, doesn't strike me as odd - there's usually a coming-to-an-end and then beginning-anew theme around this time of year)?

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Hey, great photos. I've long heard of the 'earth forest' but somehow the thing never sounded that interesting to me, but thanks to your photos I now have a different point of view.

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Seems to me the deposit might be returned only after the bike has been returned, and vice versa. Naturally, profit-seekers here have to be controlled by law, registration, etc., and not allowed to run off with the deposits. I don't understand that people would junk the bikes somewhere if it meant they'd lose Y299.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.