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Forums > Living in Kunming > Recourse for problems with missionary colleagues?

@nnoble, OK, they shouldn't. But as for god's army, I'm more worried about the ones currently fighting in the field, and the support they get from the 'souls' that their nations have won.
Yeah, a little off topic, but an attempt to examine the context within which we are all operating. Not to understand the context means not really understanding the elements within it, and their relative importance.

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@nnoble: I would say that virtually everything can be seen in its political dimension, as well as in various religious dimensions, and that religions is USED by those after power, whether in the political realm or in the economic. However, it is the global economic system is pretty much the dog these days (as in other days), wagging all its tails (political arrangements like nationalism, ideological beliefs including religious ones, media presentations of events and their significance).

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Recourse for problems with missionary colleagues?

@laotou: There's the threat, operates very successfully. Nationalism is the true religion of modern times almost everywhere. I'm not ignoring fundamentalist Christian missionary activity, it's just relatively so much less important.
On the topic: like I said, suggest you pretty much ignore the religious propagandists, they are so outnumbered.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Recourse for problems with missionary colleagues?

Indoctrination in & out of schools and universities: how is the preaching of Nationalism different from the preaching of Christianity or other religions? How is a Nation different from a polytheistic god? Where does most of the indoctrination in schools, and in families for that matter, come from? Is Nationalism dangerous? When someone says or writes that "Botswana invaded Thailand" or "Bolivia and Canada are friends", what is the epistemological character of the nations mentioned? How can 'innocent' young minds resist this indoctrination and think about the issues clearly? At what age are most people 'converted' to virtual worship of the nation as a virtual deity?

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Suggest the drinking is related to difficulties of adaptations to, and even of any clear understanding of, rapid socio-cultural change coming from the outside and the denigration of local culture involved, both in objective terms - insecure sense of identities, commoditization, new irrelevance of traditional cultural understandings, etc. Doesn't exactly strike me as mysterious. Religion, including 'new' religion, can play a part in this, either aggressively or defensively, but usually a bit ambiguously, a bit of both.

Plenty of articles about problems caused by hydropower. 'Cleaner', well, maybe, but clearly not good enough in the long run, which is going to require further development of solar, geothermal, wind, etc. It's going to be expensive in terms of money, but that's where the money has to be put in. In the meantime, maybe you've got a point, but the meantime isn't going to last all that long, and it's probably not a good idea to move too many people around, silt up dams, ruin fisheries, risk dam collapses in earthquake-prone areas and all the rest...no, I don't know a lot about this stuff, and burning fossil fuels, including natural gas, is obviously lousy, and nuclear power is really good and clean and safe until it isn't (Japan, not long ago)...okay, I'm no expert.

@ michael: Got your point. Southeast Asian countries are closer, but then Viet Nam, Laos, Myanmar have plenty of hydroelectric power generation potential of their own, although some of them (Laos, for instance, which can and to some extent does provide power to Thailand) probably don't have the cash to develop it. Rather doubt that Viet Nam, for one, would want to become dependent on Chinese power generation.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.