Although n general I don't like missionary efforts much, at least of the fundamentalist variety, I do think we might stop to realize that they're not all bastards, and not in all ways. Medical missionaries, in particular, have done a lot of good in the world in situations where nobody else gave a damn, and some of these, at least, might well be called fundamentalist. The last 150 years of history in Yunnan includes such people. I might prefer that they had not been fundamentalist missionaries, but it's hard to argue with lives etc. (medically) saved.
Main problem I have with fundamentalist Christians is their largely-unexamined concept of 'God'. As for Dawkins, it would seem that he spends a lot of time arguing that God does not "exist" - fundamentalists argue that 'He' does. But material existence is something we can debate in relation to chairs and cats - the idea that God 'exists' in the same way strikes me as braindead. The whole God discourse, I think, can have value, although I think those engaged in it should be careful to examine what they are talking about more clearly and for that matter, the idea of a 'Son of God' as well, which is one that Muslims do not engage in (Jesus, in Islam, is a prophet) and which strikes Muslims as ridiculous and laughable. A lot of words can obscure different kinds of truth, and those used to defend 'literal' truths of religious texts usually do so - one can find Truth in novels, poems and the art of John Coltrane.
I realize this is not what we're really talking about here, but a little imagination can sometimes bridge gaps in understanding, even with fundamentalist missionaries - though that's a hard sell, it might work better if it could be out in the open.
Magnifico's statement that people are either inherently born decent human beings or they're not is bullcrap. Show me an ounce of evidence that the statement is true, that genetics determine whether people are 'decent' or not. And no, I'm not saying that genetics has nothing at all to do with human behavior - it's just that there are a lot of factors involved, including those that lead people to decide what is and what is not 'decent' behavior, what it might be in situation A rather than in situation B, etc.
If the statement were true it would be unnecessary to deal with missionary or any other people involved in indoctrination because it would be impossible for the victims of such indoctrination to be made anything other than decent people.
Or maybe they'd be 'decent' but misdirected? Actually, I think this later suggestion is closer to the reality concerning human behavior, and I think logically Magnifico's own arguments point in this direction, otherwise, what's he worried about? And yes, Magnifico, I'll give you slack to correct your statement, which I think you made without thinking about it too deeply - happens to all of us sometimes.
The history of mining in the area is interesting - tin mines going back a couple thousand years and more, significant for the rise of early Yunnan political entities and, of course, important for sparking French interests in Yunnan and the building of the RR from Haiphong, 1910. .
@flengs, 1. okay, I bow to the voice of greater experience. What are the places that are not walkable in one day? I know there's a lot of area that I have not visited there.
2. getting a bit lost can be worthwhile - art of discovery dept.
PS: Shibaoshan is really worth the visit - there's a place to stay there, or you can walk down the trail to Sideng (the main tourist-oriented Shaxi village) in an hour or two.
I think you can ignore the 'plan well get guide must have van perfect route' stuff - lately it seems that an awful lot of non-Chinese people in this area need a GPS every time they leave their apartments.
Living in a cave & making fire with flint isn't necessary, as it's perfectly possible to live in houses & make fire in easier ways without polluting the universe. However, 'dealing with it' is exactly what I propose, rather than simply using something because it exists and somebody wants to sell it to you, regardless of the effects it has - simply going along with everything is not 'dealing with' anything at all: no decisions, no thought is required. And just because the horses produce manure doesn't mean you've got to have an airplane.
Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.
As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.
Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.
Yunnan's Stone Treasure: Shibao Mountain
发布者@flengs, 1. okay, I bow to the voice of greater experience. What are the places that are not walkable in one day? I know there's a lot of area that I have not visited there.
2. getting a bit lost can be worthwhile - art of discovery dept.
Yunnan's Stone Treasure: Shibao Mountain
发布者PS: Shibaoshan is really worth the visit - there's a place to stay there, or you can walk down the trail to Sideng (the main tourist-oriented Shaxi village) in an hour or two.
Yunnan's Stone Treasure: Shibao Mountain
发布者I think you can ignore the 'plan well get guide must have van perfect route' stuff - lately it seems that an awful lot of non-Chinese people in this area need a GPS every time they leave their apartments.
Kunming to monetize street vendor chaos
发布者Shyam, I don't understand what is natural about markets and festivals, but if they are, why aren't supermarkets 'natural'? Or are they?
Changshui once again closed by fog
发布者Living in a cave & making fire with flint isn't necessary, as it's perfectly possible to live in houses & make fire in easier ways without polluting the universe. However, 'dealing with it' is exactly what I propose, rather than simply using something because it exists and somebody wants to sell it to you, regardless of the effects it has - simply going along with everything is not 'dealing with' anything at all: no decisions, no thought is required. And just because the horses produce manure doesn't mean you've got to have an airplane.