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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Friendliest - and Nastiest - people in China?

@Napoleon: I haven't either, though the ones (now aged or dead) Chinese troops (now aged or dead) fought against were almost all from south korea, and there are numerous ethnic Koreans in the Northeast (an official Chinese nationality). It's an interesting point, though, since foreign Koreans here tend not to associate with many foreigners of other nationalities (except, perhaps, among Korean Christians and (largely) US Christians, but I don't know much about that). I wonder how Dongbei people, including Han, Man and Korean, think of North Koreans, and about ethnic-minority Chinese Koreans - friendly, nasty, or what? And vice versa.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Friendliest - and Nastiest - people in China?

OK, but considered as a single group - which, I'm afraid, is the way all too many local Chinese see them, as locals tend to do in many places - how do you think 'foreigners' rate? I think it's fair to consider tourists separately - and of course there might be subcategory considerations to be made, based on, perhaps, nationality, or geography, or employment, or gender, or whatever.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Friendliest - and Nastiest - people in China?

Any opinions on where to find the friendliest - and nastiest - non-Chinese people in China (though obviously 'non-Chinese' and 'foreigner' are pretty broad terms)? I've heard some negative remarks about expats in Shanghai, and Sanlitun in Beijing seems to collect...well, I haven't been there for awhile. There have been a few unpleasant incidents involving foreigners in Kunming, Jinghong and Dali over the years, though for the most part foreigners in these places seem okay, but we've all seen unfriendly remarks, posted by foreigners, about Chinese or about each other here on the forums. What about Lijiang?
Would be particularly interesting to see opinions here from Chinese contributors.
As for friendlieness, I've generally found people in the smaller towns and villages to be more friendly than those in cities. I'm not sure what how this may impact on considerations of people's level of 'civilized'.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Friendliest - and Nastiest - people in China?

I can't answer your question, but I certainly have not found Kunming people to be unhelpful or particularly rude. I found men, in particular, in Sichuan to be, not so much rude or unhelpful, but to make a particularly big deal about foreigners (e.g., a lot of "Look, a laowai!", etc.). I found it annoying, although I got used to it. On the other hand, I found it easier to meet women there, and make friends with them (not just a matter of sexual relations etc.) I lived in Sichuan for 1&1/2 years.
Note that I lived in a city where there were not a lot of foreigners, and so the Kunming syndrome of foreigners speaking English with Chinese and with each other whenever there was more than one foreigner in the group was not a big problem.
I don't find Hong Kong people particularly helpful. Taiwanese, yes, at least if you speak Chinese - lived in each place about 6 years.

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And in addition to the actual amount raised there are the benefits that can occur inside people's heads (getting people to think, etc.)

@atwilden: well, flying smarter is something, anyway - flying less is better. Anyway,m what interesting things usually happen to you on an airplane? Virtually nothing, would be my guess. People shortchange themselves.

@tallamerican: Of course I can't stop people from driving/flying all the time, at least not by myself, but I can slow the damage by limiting my engagement in it myself, and perhaps at least make others aware of the problem and hopefully awaken them to their responsibility for what they do - many people will, in fact, take some responsibility for their actions once the consequences are pointed out to them, it's the avoidance of conscious thought, about issues that are not all that hard to make objective judgements about, that constitutes the human lemming instinct that gets us into such trouble, and that is manipulated by those who couldn't care less about us or anybody's future, for what they see as their own short-term advantage.

I don't think you guys get it - air travel, as practiced since the great increase over the past 15 years or so, is simply environmentally unsustainable, full stop.

Always a problem with this sort of thing, which I thoroughly support - seems many people have the attitude that they have a right to keep 'their' wealth.

People never used to have enough time either - the solution has always been to TAKE it. Failure to do so leads to the development of a tourist industry, with all its disgusting accoutrements. But hey, I figure we're all guilty.

Thanks for the tips on Shibaoshan, I plan to go stay up there & go around the whole place one of these days, when I take the time.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.