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@nnoble, OK, they shouldn't. But as for god's army, I'm more worried about the ones currently fighting in the field, and the support they get from the 'souls' that their nations have won.
Yeah, a little off topic, but an attempt to examine the context within which we are all operating. Not to understand the context means not really understanding the elements within it, and their relative importance.

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@nnoble: I would say that virtually everything can be seen in its political dimension, as well as in various religious dimensions, and that religions is USED by those after power, whether in the political realm or in the economic. However, it is the global economic system is pretty much the dog these days (as in other days), wagging all its tails (political arrangements like nationalism, ideological beliefs including religious ones, media presentations of events and their significance).

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@laotou: There's the threat, operates very successfully. Nationalism is the true religion of modern times almost everywhere. I'm not ignoring fundamentalist Christian missionary activity, it's just relatively so much less important.
On the topic: like I said, suggest you pretty much ignore the religious propagandists, they are so outnumbered.

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Indoctrination in & out of schools and universities: how is the preaching of Nationalism different from the preaching of Christianity or other religions? How is a Nation different from a polytheistic god? Where does most of the indoctrination in schools, and in families for that matter, come from? Is Nationalism dangerous? When someone says or writes that "Botswana invaded Thailand" or "Bolivia and Canada are friends", what is the epistemological character of the nations mentioned? How can 'innocent' young minds resist this indoctrination and think about the issues clearly? At what age are most people 'converted' to virtual worship of the nation as a virtual deity?

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@Magnifico: I don't see American Gangster, which is a film I really like, as alluding to government conspiracy regarding drugs - it alludes to the operations of certain criminal individuals within the US military in Southeast Asia who make use of US coffins etc. to bring drugs into the US for organized crime - not US government policy or that of any government-established black box operations located within it. Anyway, the film is fictionalized, although based on real events, and the facts concerning drug movements etc. are not quite the facts of the events. Great film though.

HFCampo: The EU, whatever its problems, is not totalitarian.
People are murdered everyday - perhaps so, why do you want to contribute?
The US is not a fascist country, at least not yet.
If 'we' have no choice about US-government decisions about what is a drug and what should be illegal, why do you want to kill more people based on these definitions?
If the US government, border police etc. are all in on the drug racket (and at least some of them have to be), then what authority is it that you think would be able to go around killing illegal drug users?
Finally, why are you more interested in some totalitarian control of illegal drug users than you are in the lives of enormous numbers of people?
Your whole approach is frightening. What do you value here?

@HFCampo: The point about illegal drugs is that they are not subject to such a program - i.e., they're uncontrolled, illegal. So who would be able to do this? Anyone who did would be knowingly responsible for the death of another - i.e., random murder of drug users.
The main problem here, of course, is that most of us would not condone such murder, as I think most of us, most of the time, at least when not defending our own lives, consider that the lives of millions of human beings are more important than the control of illegal drugs. You may have a different moral point of view, which you'd have to explain, but I don't know how you could make any stable society out of one, unless you assume totalitarian control of populations, which is ultimately impossible and the members of which would scarcely be human anyway - mere objects. Then maybe it wouldn't matter to anyone whether they lived or died, and they might not know the difference.
As for all drug users dying off, I don't think you understand why people choose to use drugs.
finally, you still haven't told us what an illegal 'drug' is, except that it seems to be whatever some government, which you don't respect and which you say pushes drugs, says it is.

You may be volunteering to enforce fascism, for all you to know.

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Not quite what you'd call a jumping place, but not bad at all for rather standard US-type meals, not overly expensive, and with a really good salad bar that's cheap, or free with most dinner dishes after 5:30PM. You can get a bottle of beer or even wine if you really want to, but I've never seen anybody do it - maybe that's just to take out. Chinese Christian run, and they hire people with physical disadvantages, who are pleasant and helpful. Frequented by foreign (mostly North American) Christians and Chinese Christians - was started by a Canadian couple associated with Bless China (previously, Project Grace), who are no longer here, but no religious pressure or any of that. Steaks are nothing special, and I avoid the Korean dishes, which I've had a few times but which did not impress me.

As a shop and bakery, it's very good bread at reasonable prices, of various kinds (Y18 for a good multigrain loaf that certainly weighs well over a pound. Other stuff too, like granola and oatmeal that is local, as well as imported things, including American cornflakes and so forth, which some people seem to require.

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Large portions, seriously so with the pizza, which is Brooklyn/American style, I guess. Convivial, conversational, good place to drink with good folks on both sides of the bar, especially after about 9PM.

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Really good pizza and steaks. The wine machine fuddles me when I'm a bit fuddled, & seems unnecessary. Good folks on both sides of the bar.