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Forums > Living in Kunming > Tax-free allowance for visiting relatives expenses

Geezer: Firstly, there isn't always employer in China who would act as tax collector.

Secondly, everyone who earns over 120 000 RMB a year, is required to file separate annual tax return, and it is in this process where additional income such as allowances can be filed. If those allowances are filed with monthly income, I don't know how to process.

Below I will copy summary which I compiled from Chinese government's official English translations, regarding "housing allowance" part of the tax-free allowances,, for another discussion elsewhere.

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Roughly speaking, China's legal and regulatory system breaks down to Laws, Regulations, and Circulars. Laws form the high level framework, Regulations detail implementations, and Circulars clarify individual points of concern.

Legal framework for subject of "housing allowance" comes from _Individual Income Tax Law of the People's Republic of China_(english.mofcom.gov.cn/[...] which states following:

"For the taxpayer who have no domicile in China but derive wages and salaries from sources within China, or have domicile in China but derive wages and salaries from sources outside China, the additional deduction for expenses shall be allowed on the basis of the average income level, living standard and the changes of exchange rates. the scope of application and amount of the additional deduction for expenses shall be regulated by the State Council."

Those regulations mentioned in the law are: _Regulations for the Implementation of the Individual Income Tax Law of the People's Republic of China_ (www.chinatax.gov.cn/2013/n2925/n2956/c310063/content.html).

These regulations describe in more detail, what constitutes "income from wages and salaries":

"Article 8 The scope of the categories of individual income tax provided in Article 2 of the Tax Law:

1. "Income from wages and salaries" refers to income from wages, salaries, awards, year-end bonuses, bonus from labor service, _allowances_ and subsidies and other income related to appointments or employment,"

Thus, default nature of _all _allowances is that tax will be levied on them.

The regulations also clarify which persons are eligible for possible tax-free employment benefits:

"Article 27 The applicable scope of additional tax reductions for expenses as provided in paragraph three of Article 6 of the Tax Law refers to:
1. Foreign nationals working in enterprise with foreign investments and foreign enterprises in China,
2. Foreign experts employed by enterprises, undertakings, social organizations and government institutions in China,
3. Individuals with residence in China but having jobs or being employed drawing wages or salaries outside China,
4. Other individuals defined by the Ministry of Finance."

Further clarifications to these regulations are published in form of circulars, one of which is _Circular on Some Policy Questions Concerning Individual Income Tax_ (www.chinatax.gov.cn/2013/n2925/n2956/c310099/content.html, although my quote below is from another source with slightly different translation).

It states:

"The incomes listed below are exempt from individual income tax for the time being:

(1) Housing subsidies, food allowances, moving fees and laundry fees gained by individual [u]foreigners[/u] in the non-cash form or in the form of being reimbursed for what they spend.

(2) Traveling allowances at home and abroad gained by individual foreigners in accordance with rational standards.

(3) The visiting relatives expense, language training expense and children education expense gained by individual foreigners, that part considered to be reasonable through examination and approval by local tax authorities.
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Personally I fall in this category:

" Individuals with residence in China but having jobs or being employed drawing wages or salaries outside China"

Which makes me eligible to these tax-free allowances. Since I have no local employer, I must file (and study) everything myself - which I by the way do annually with the same process that everyone earning over 120 000 must do even if their taxes would get filed monthly by employer.

Still, employers (local or abroad) cannot pay lump sump allowances without it being considered fully taxable - everything must be paid against fapiaos or other documents based on real expenses.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Tax-free allowance for visiting relatives expenses

Tigertiger: As it says _visiting_ relatives, I am quire sure that it means the "left behind" family which did NOT move to China with you, and their subsequent visits to come see you in Chiina on temporary basis.

Relocation costs (for the entire household), as well as some other expenses are covered under different items in the policy.

I only quoted item number 3 here, and am only interested in the definition for "visiting relatives expense".

Geezer: These are items which can be paid by employer to the employee, and employee can deduct these expenses from taxable income, IF the specific items are mentioned in work contract and there are relevant fapiaos.

And if you are eligible for these tax-free allowances to begin with, which depends on a few factors (which are clear to me).

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Tax-free allowance for visiting relatives expenses

China's regulations about tax exempt allowances for eligible foreigners include this:

"(3) The visiting relatives expense, language training expense and children education expense gained by individual foreigners, that part considered to be reasonable through examination and approval by local tax authorities."

Would anyone have experience about the "visiting relatives expense" in Kunming, as these items are subject to approval by local tax authorities rather than on national level.

Firstly, are there some limitations to what constitutes "relatives" - only spouse, or also parents, siblings, grand children, nieces and nephews...?

Secondly, is this limited to local expenses such as food and accommodation, or does it also include flights/other transports from/to home country and/or within China?

Any first-hand knowledge or even hearsay would be welcome.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > How much cash can you take out of the country?

www.china.org.cn/english/LivinginChina/204171.htm

"According to the Administrative Rules of the People's Republic of China on Cross-Border Transportation of National Currency issued by China's central bank in December 2004, travelers are allowed to take up to US$5,000 equivalent of foreign currency and 20,000 yuan of local currency (US$1=7.7 yuan) into or out of the country.

There is no need to declare this to customs if the currency you carry is less than the limit. "

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@aliennew: "the important thing here is to give the kids of the poor an even break, which is hard to do when the kids of the rich have"

Naturally so. My argument is that the poor should have to pay taxes too (even if very marginal amounts), so that they would learn to ask for better services in exchange for that, and this would work towards breaks their kids get. They would learn to ask for them.

The current 3500 RMB tax break in monthly income, defined in national level, means huge number of rural residents never having to pay income taxes, and I would like to see the tax system reformed so that every person feels contributing to the common good, and in that everyone would be on the same line.

Then people in rural Yunnan and elsewhere could slowly learn to ask for same services as those in Kunming or Shanghai, since they would be contributing to the system on same terms..

Perhaps the money just isn't there, but at least more of the little there is would be directed to be spent properly.

@alienew: "Why "in China more than anywhere"?"

Because political system in China is naturally demotivating people from taking part in public interests and discussions for political reasons. They are also arguably quite restricted from pursuing the same goals for religious or spiritual reasons.

Since Deng, Chinese are however allowed and even urged to acquire financial wealth and prosperity. Social participation and activation of the public should therefore piggyback on money here.

The poor shouldn't have to pay taxes to finance the system, but to activate themselves to follow up on those tax contributions.

Specifically on OP, this means motivating to send your children to school, and to certain degree also making you interested to know whether your neighbour does that. And that once they do attend the school, they get the money's worth.of education.

"as for the poor caring where the tax goes, many are too ignorant of how governmt works anyhow"

Agreed, but I''d say that it is partly a chicken and egg problem. For better or worse, it is money that makes the world go around, and money can just as well stop it going around. Populism could be one realization of it stop going around.

I believe that in China more than anywhere this nature of money (or exchange of goods in wider context) should be utilized to mobilize the interest of the common people for their common causes.

But it may still be too early for the Chinese government to allow that. Too many skeletons still in open.

And on the note of 1%ers, if they would be made to pay 1% more tax, the question is whether they would pay it or move to a tax haven somewhere else. Worst case scenario is that instead of them paying 1% more, they would be paying zero.

It is (or should be) a fine balance.

@Dazzer: I don't mean the difference being in significantly bigger tax revenue, but the impact for individual families when they recognize that they have to pay their children's education and other state costs (via taxes) out of their very little income anyway, so why not use it..

For a person that makes, for example, a mere 100 RMB a month, 1 RMB or 1% tax taken out would go towards activating them to care how that 1 RMB gets used.

If the local government builds a new school house, they'd feel that they contributed to finance it and that they should use it.

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