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Forums > Living in Kunming > Air quality and massive plant death in Kunming

@Napoleon.

I presume you are talking to me. Have no glue about what however.

The link is based on information from the Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research. Might be interested to study a bit.

Shell is indeed Anglo Dutch. But for your information.
GB is governed by the Conservatives already for years and the Netherlands by a coalition of Conservative Liberals and Labour. Anyway they don't own Shell. It is not a state company.

Conservative rightwing anti big government groups: National Review and Daily Caller and Breitbart, Tea Party.

Do I really have to spell it out?

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Air quality and massive plant death in Kunming

@Napoleon.

I never talked about left or rightwing governments as indeed they both have a bad track record on protecting the environment.
I referred to "Conservative rightwing anti big government groups with their own agenda."
Something quite different.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Air quality and massive plant death in Kunming

@Napoleon.

Indeed it is a world matter. Glad you agree with that.
That's why my references are to neutral intergovernmental bodies and not to conservative rightwing anti big government bodies and obscure professors of mining geology.

You started into this discussion with:
"I'm not yet convinced on climate change and Ozone layers etc etc. It seems from all the arguments and counter augments from the experts that they're not too. I'm not going to make references to any of this - It's the general opinion from years of seeing articles for and against by people who should know."

While it is plain that the experts do know. (PS This has nothing to do with Geezers 97% blabla)

IPCC annual report:

SPM1.
Human influences on the climate system is clear, and recent anthropogenic emissions of greenhouse gasses are the highest in history. Recent climate changes have had widespread impacts on human and natural systems.
SPM1.1
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, and since 1950s, many of the observed changes are unprecedented over decades to millennia. The atmosphere and ocean have warmed, the amount of snow and ice have diminished, and sea levels have risen.

Thus clear as can be (See: ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/AR5_SYR_FINAL_SPM.pdf )

Counter arguments fall in four classes:
1. Conservative rightwing anti big government groups with their own agenda.
2. Guys who simply make money out of it (Like Plimer)
3. Conspiracy theorists.
4. Scientist who have a doubt about certain aspects of methodologies of measuring.

The last group I have no problem with because this will help improve the further understanding of the topic.
Sorry but the first three groups I don't take serious.
I do take a report of the IPCC serious.

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If you buy electronic equipment there should be a small piece of paper with a declaration of which nasty substances are included in the item.
It usually is in the form of a small spreadsheet. With on top the substances usually in this order:
 Pb (Plumbum) which is Lead. (Used in all soldered contacts thus in nearly all electronics)
 Hg (Hydragyrum) which is Mercury.
 Cd which is Cadmium. (Was used a lot in the old nickel-cadmium batteries)

 Cr-VI which is Chroom-6.
 PBB which is Polybrominated biphenyl. This is a flame retardant in plastics which are getting hot.
 PBDE which is Polybrominated diphenyl ether. This is a flame retardant in plastics which are getting hot.
These substances are simply poisonous and can cause cancer and hormone imbalance.

In backstreet recycling they are not into recycling these substances or safe disposal but interested in the other elements that have a value which are mainly copper and gold. All the above substances are still getting in the environment. Proper recycling takes care of the nasty substances that don't have a value but cost a lot to dispose of properly.

Get realistic. There is nothing special in a keyboard like ""Heavy metals such as lead, mercury, cadmium and beryllium, as well as hazardous chemicals". If they arive in Beijing it will be dumped there.
The things that should be discarded with special care are the actual electronics.

Common problem in China. Things are represented as actual being there while they are still in the planning and building stages.
Depending on your phone navigator you might be routed over roads which are still under construction. Especially Apple is doing this.
I have quite some maps which roads on it that are simply not there. They is no indication that they are still under construction.

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