@laotou
China doesn't have crime statistics and the little info there is, is mostly whitewashed.

Furthermore there is a huge increase in child abuse (don't actually know if it's an increase or just more exposure due to the increase of media access).
If you work in the education business you will stumble upon some stories. Usually the problem families will say something like," her/his Daddy is weird." The problem is (not only China/Asia) anywhere the lack of reporting.

Keep in mind that many abuses are not being reported to the the loss of face of the whole family not just the molesters. So as with many crimes here, many victims families are paid money from the suspects families.

I remember that some organizations tried to put Asian crime rates in numbers based on a western population model or developed Asian counties. And according to Experts...dunno what a crime statistic expert is.... but they said it wouldn't even be the tip of the ice berg.

There were more tries, to estimate crime in PRC but the more realistic numbers were pretty far away from the 3% mark.

Plus crime, according to other experts, is not related to population ad-hoc, cos if it would, then Turkey, France, Denmark would have much more crimes and The Netherlands and Sweden much less.

They said is has to do with the law system (from law giving to law enforcement), governance, education (the biggest factor, not surprisingly), social welfare system, social stability, poverty spread and self realization.

@Texasboy
Don't want to move this in a gun rights thread. But I think more guns the more trouble, US is a perfect example.

@Jopasny
I agree there is no safe place but there are little places promoted as safe and in reality it isn't. If you know a place is unsafe you can prepare or avoid it. Information is the key. Of course everyplace has their crazies, thugs and criminals but I never expected them in such density and frequency here in China.

Iceland ...brrr to the weather, yeay to its beauty! :)

@abcd
Now you are just making stuff up to, ...I dunno....He is dead why not stop talking bad about a dead man.

Look I can't and won't pull this guy any more into this, he is dead may he rest in peace. There are a whole bunch of other cases I mentioned, don't get stuck on that one. Nor do I think that if I would tell you more facts you would let go. You see him as the reason for his trouble I doubt I can get him out of this catch. even though the cops and witnesses cleared him. Plus I know enough fact about his case to say that he died for no reason.

The only remotely justifiable reason to beat this guy to death is, if he would have raped or killed someone, and even then I don;t think killing somebody would justify it.

Anyway he didn't he was a good guy at the wrong time at the wrong place he has done something so little so trivial, you and I do it everyday, and no one ever (usually ) even says something about it, let alone noticing it.
Just that, -this time a bunch of people were looking for a victim and they got what they wanted, the death of somebody to prove that they are cool, bada**, gangsters, heroes...we will probably never find out why they did it.

P.S. Could you please at least cite my previous post instead of just twisting my words.

Boozing, getting wasted, 'hitting the shit' I don't even know what that means??
Of course it is harmless as long as you don't make any trouble. Or at least it should be.
Is a pub location more prone to trouble of course, it may. Even though I had less trouble in pubs than outside of it.

I don't booze but I still think you should be able to go to a pub and have beer without being assaulted, pushed around or get in a fight.
If you are a drunk jerk looking for it then, you will find it and most certainly will get it. Kundu is a beacon of it.

Same as going to a restaurant or walking down NanLuuo xian without being attacked.

The problem is not necessarily the place but the people drunk or not, if people want to get in a fight they will find it. It can be anyone including you (knock on wood). I am waking proof. If you have a pretty local gf or wife you painted and even bigger target on your vest.

abcd
I go with Liuming
I can't give you what you want to hear. About your speculations about my friend, you are on the wrong way. He got killed for no obvious reason, if you want to push it on the 'it may be his fault' card. Feel free to do it but you would do this poor man wrong.

If you want there are tons of cases online or in the news, where people equally nonsenical have been killed over literally nothing in China.

@abcd
No they weren't his friends. I used the word thugs because they obviously were by beating my friend.

The reason he got killed for is so little it usually would not even be considered or just waved of by any well meaning person in China or the West. It's something you may, if you have the tendency, to approach a person tell them to let it be and that is it.

Plus you base your statements on your own assumptions.
To summarize in your words.
My friend had thugs as friends, hung out with low lives, he deserved what happened because he got beaten to death so it must have invited it or wanted it or something.

The only wrong picture there is, is your recollection and change of facts that I posted. The people beating him were not his friends they know each other in the way as you know the people at Sal's or mask. They occasionally met each other, that's it.

Hi was no saint but a very nice person, maybe that was his weakness. He really was a very very good man. And even if he did something that upset someone it is impossible that it justified him being beaten to death, don't you think?
He didn't kill, rape, hurt, fight, stole, or any other things that you could try to explain it with and even the cops said it. An unesseccary death of a young man.

And I don't need your psychoanalysis of a person you don't know and just seem to trash-talk and vilify, just so it seems that your world of safety-illusions can stay intact and avoid the sheer (and just a) possibility of a different option.

I don't think that is promoted in any metaphysical theory.

I wish things would be different here. some things I like as they are.

It's really up to you.My only claim is that China is not safe. As least not as we are being told or think.
Nothing else. You don't have to believe it or even give a damn.

But trying for two days til now to rattle on my actually factual experiences. Blame them on halfa**ed incomplete post-metaphysical reasoning, or discrediting things I say...I really don't care, nor does it matter.

If you want to tell yourself that everything i fine and safe. Good for you, I mean it, I have been there before and it felt good.

I don't need you to take my side.
It feels good that some people show compassion and empathy and I appreciate it because those incidents are scary and shocking.

So please understand that I just want you to be careful and maybe consider that it's not bad luck, alcohol or aggressive behavior that leads to it.

And I brought examples that show violence, disregard for safety and even life.I mean common look around everyday, accident victims bleeding to death in the street, while people not caring or pointing fingers at the dying or dead person having a great time.

It's a rough culture here, will it change? Sure it will! I believe that this place can be and will be an even more fantastic wonderful place to live and enjoy, than it already is.

But right now there is a lot of crime out there, a lot of violence not being recorded or released because of face and shedding a bad light on the city or China.

So I am saying, be careful out there. Don't rely on travel advise from the consulates they change quickly and easily but always when it's already too late, at least for some.

I have seen enough to have a very good picture of what can happen here and how fast it does.

So I am aware of it and I will prepare myself and my family.

I advise you to be aware. You don't have too at all, but it doesn't take much effort and it can only help.
To build up fear will not be helpful either because that may also attract those incidents. A good portion of awareness and acceptance of the possibility that China may not be as safe as we think/thought, is plenty and enough in my opinion.

Your reactions and denial is normal and understandable they are well studied and make sense.
Nobody likes to hear bad things and nobody likes to accept them.
It's ok, no problem nothing wrong with it.
As I said I have been there too.

Just watch out and try to stay safe. :)