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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Can Chinese citizens enter Boten, Laos without a visa?

Just on another note though, it seems that some foreigners are able to obtain a Chinese visa on arrival at the Mohan border crossing. On the 2nd floor, there is a visa-on-arrival counter 口岸签证 in Chinese. I am wondering if anyone has used this before. Of course it's still better to obtain a visa in advance but this option appears to be an option if you have no other choice - a Chinese official at that border seemed to confirm this to me.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Can Chinese citizens enter Boten, Laos without a visa?

I already went to the border area and fortunately, my boss brought someone who could enter Laos to arrange for the transport of the goods across to China. Therefore I can confirm that Chinese citizens can't enter Laos without pre-arranging a visa in Jinghong or Kunming, which apparently takes 3 days now.

@Dazzer, nothing illegal about the "contraband" just agricultural goods.

Also, the casino zone at the border closed 2 years ago and is really a ghost town now - get up to date. The new casino area is located some 300km away on the Thai border and close to the Golden Triangle region where Laos, Thailand and Myanmar meet. It's called 金三角特区 in Chinese.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Can Chinese citizens enter Boten, Laos without a visa?

Hi,

My Chinese boss needs to enter Boten, Laos located just south of the border crossing in a former casino area operated by Chinese businessmen. As the casino area (which apparently has become a ghost town these days) is a Chinese concession, I'm wondering if my boss could cross into Laos, take over the goods my company is transporting into China and then cross back without a visa. I know that Chinese citizens normally need a visa for entering Laos BUT I read somewhere that for entry to the 4 northern provinces only a border pass is required. However, a source I read here on GoKunming mentioned that a Chinese lady was refused exit from China at Mohan as she did not have a Lao visa, even though they are available on arrival for Chinese citizens.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > travelling form Yunnan to Myanmar

I heard that travel permits are no longer required to travel from Mu-se to Lashio BUT I'm not sure if you still need a permit just to get across the border from China or from Myanmar to China. The permit required appears to have been relaxed only since last month. There is a source on the internet you can google and it will show that Mu-se and another town between Lashio and Mu-se are "free" areas now where no permit is required anymore.

Much of Kachin State is however still off limits, but overland access to/from China is really what's important for travellers I think.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > China tourist visa in Vientiane??

Good to know that the Chinese embassy in Vientiane can issue visas quickly (for an extra fee). The Chinese consulate in Chiang Mai is efficient and no problems getting a visa with the right paperwork, but foreigners can't get fast service there so you have to wait for 4 business days. Since I have some business in Vientiane soon anyway, I like the idea of the 1 or 2 day turnaround (for an extra fee of course), but I would have to get my paperwork changed since I am applying for a Z visa and the paperwork says apply in Thailand.

Flights from Kunming to Vientiane are operated by China Eastern and Lao Airlines, the latter being my choice. Flights operated by Lao Airlines are usually operated by the new A320, as was the case last year for my flights, but sometimes ATRs are substituted. Go to www.laoairlines.com to book (prices quoted in USD and payment charged to your card in USD through Bangkok). The bus takes up to 48 hours (apparently) and leaves from the northern bus station (although I have seen these buses parked at the Sanjiang Chinese market behind Vientiane airport too). Not sure if they can pick you up from your hotel, but probably you'll have to board at the bus station - book your ticket through a travel agency in town and they'll let you know.

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Geogramatt, eventually it may cross into Myanmar. However, given how it will only be finished as far as Ruili in 2022, there's still many years before it ever makes it into Myanmar. Hopefully that will be enough time for Myanmar to end it's wars in the northern part of the country but that's wishful thinking at this point. After all, the Kachin Independence Army or KIA broke a 17-year ceasefire back around 2011 and fighting has actually increased in the meantime.

Myanmar didn't only open up for tourism in 2011. It has been open for years just that not many westerners went prior to 2011, even though there was little stopping them. The only thing you couldn't do prior to 2013 was travel overland unless you had a permit. I first went to Myanmar on a day trip to Tachilek in 2001 and flew into Yangon in 2004 and 2005. It was just as easy to get a visa back then as it is today, except that there were more restricted areas than there are now. Also, getting to Mu-se on the Chinese border seems to be OK. I went there in February. The adjacent areas where the Kokang conflict erupted are of course out of bounds. Chinese citizens generally aren't allowed to travel across to the Burmese side overland either, except to Mu-se for up to 7 days but that isn't always allowed either. Burmese who travel to China illegally risk arrest and those that travel overland from Mu-se can only travel to Ruili. To enter China properly and travel wherever they want, they either need a permit or must fly in, just like other foreigners.

To further add to Tom69's comments, I have recently heard that the go-ahead has been given for a railway from Kunming to near the Lao border, but as for continuing into Laos and beyond to Thailand, this is uncertain at the moment. In any case, overly optimistic Chinese journalism should be dismissed as reliable news sources as they have many times mentioned things that have yet to materialize.

Anyway, to get back on track a little bit can anyone tell me if there are now more services out of Mengzi (and in the reverse direction) than the one lone train? If coming from Vietnam it would be impossible to make the 9.03am train, since a bus journey would take 2 hours and then you would need to consider that the border only opens at 8am Chinese time I think, so only by staying in Hekou itself could you make it to Mengzi (possibly) if you departed Hekou around 6am by the time the train departs.

@Peter99, as you say, it's up to the individual countries concerned, not China, to allow entry to Myanmar/Vietnam overland from China. If a bomb attack occurs in Myanmar near the Chinese border (where I've been to just like you have been), that's something that should concern China but isn't enough to prevent the Chinese authorities from allowing foreigners to cross as foreign citizens are not of concern to China when they exit Chinese territory. Having said that I keep reading that the official opening of the Ruili-Muse crossing to passport and visa holders of all nationalities is scheduled to proceed as planned this year, but an exact date is not yet known. 4 border crossings with Thailand opened last August and I have travelled overland into the interior of Myanmar to/from Thailand 3 times since that time.

As others have said, a number of these crossings have always been open so I don't know what the authorities mean about being recently "re-opened". The Lao Cai-Hekou crossing is open to all who have valid documents to cross between China and Vietnam there (some nationalities don't need a visa to enter Vietnam and as such can just cross through without a visa). Only cars generally can't cross the border here, one must be a pedestrian to cross and there are no cross border bus services either.

@LaoQingwa and laoshi19, I just arrived back in Kunming today. Today the weather was partly cloudy with plenty of sunshine and comfortably warm temperatures. I was told the past 2 days have been similar. It seems that the weather forecast is not very accurate - my hunch is on partly cloudy skies, with some possibility of overcast skies and light rain being more likely over the next few days but probably nothing like Kunming experienced last week (well, at least, hopefully not).

There is no evidence left of the flooding which affected Kunming mainly last Friday. I too was worried as evidenced by my earlier post, but it seems that even the most low lying areas around Beijing Lu, which were most flooded and the rest of downtown are back to normal - I drove through there from the airport today and everything is business as usual.

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