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Forums > Living in Kunming > Covid vaccine mandatory for all adults?

This thread went from asking a reasonable question to a pharma troll spreading his tyranny.

Obviously you don't know what the Nuremberg Code entails.

And no, what you are talking about is nonsense. Vaccination requirements to enter foreign countries were never a thing other than some African and Latin American countries for yellow fever, where you could always bribe your way in or in some cases, officials wouldn't look too carefully at the documentation or even care.

You're a rude, hateful person. All you know is how to spout profanity.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Covid vaccine mandatory for all adults?

@lemon lover, rudeness and hostility is the resort of miserable people who have clearly lost the argument.

Requiring a vaccination is not only draconian and a violation of various human rights decrees such as the Nuremburg Code, there is no proof it even protects.

In fact, all of the Covid vaccine manufacturers simply state that the shot reduces symptoms. Many of them are already talking about booster shots in 6-9 months from now.

@Dandare, every government has politicized the pandemic. It now looks like it was all about the vaccine from the beginning. If governments were reasonable then they would have protected only those vulnerable from the effects of the virus (such as the elderly) and not imposed mandatory mask rules, which are in many countries still in effect at least in some settings, with no clear end in sight (except in Europe, where mask mandates are set to be completely lifted by September or October). In the USA, most mask mandates have already been lifted, with the remaining ones likely to follow suit before the end of the year. In some countries, masks have been mandatory for well over a year now. This is starting to get out of hand.

There was never anything remotely on this scale imposed on the world during SARS, Swine Flu or even Ebola. Clearly something else is going on this time.

My personal opinion is I don't think they'll go as far as mandating the shots anywhere on Earth...however, there is a possibility that for some time, as long as the "pandemic" is in swing, a vaccine requirement to enter some countries or like has been mentioned, to seek a work permit in China could persist, but I don't think it will last more than about 1 more year. I don't it see it as being an ongoing requirement once the world gets back to pre-March 2020 travel.

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So does "internationalism" or "globalism", Alien. It produces the insanity that we have been seeing in many parts of the west, the USA in particular of screaming leftists who have become so insane as to threaten the life of the US president yet strangely haven't been arrested for attempted murder. Even the media takes part, in fact the media is a huge part of the problem and yes, it's completely biased and much of their reporting is fake, distorted inconsistent with the facts or omits the truth.

The Chinese form of nationalism that you are referring to may however also be somewhat exaggerated for effect and yes, ultra-nationalism, as many Chinese practice when there is a stir-up of nationalist sentiment in response to a "threat", particularly from the arch-nemisis nation of Japan or Vietnam, the Philippines etc. can get out of hand and sometimes results in innocent lives being lost when a riot starts, in addition to massive property destruction. The anti-Japanese riots of a few years ago, when Japanese cars, probably made in China and driven by Chinese citizens were destroyed is one example. Similarly, an anti-China protest last year I think in Vietnam resulted in a couple of lives lost and a large amount of property destruction at a Taiwanese owned factory. No mainland Chinese people owned any of the assets that were targeted nor were they amongst the victims of the rioting.

So perhaps the point I'd like to make is the best response is the middle ground.

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True, the Chinese do drive relatively slowly and I find it's only in the cities, mainly bigger cities where drivers can be quite aggressive. Out of the highways it's a doodle though, especially compared to Thailand where you generally have higher traffic volumes and drivers who drive at much higher speeds.

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@bluppfisk, the only way you can reach Hanoi in like 5 hours from Hekou is if the new expressway is currently finished and a bus service that takes this expressway is already in operation. Alternatively, you could take a private car or taxi, but that might be a little expensive unless you share with other travellers.

Currently the train to Hanoi takes around 8 hours and the road journey by car also took 8 hours on the old road, so probably 9-10 by bus.

As I have not heard anything to suggest that the whole expressway has opened to traffic yet (if it has, please provide a source) and only some sections near Hanoi have opened, my best guess is 6-7 hours using a combination of the old and the new road.

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"In the future, the modern railway is expected enhance tourism and commerce in southern Yunnan and one day extend all the way to Hanoi."

umm excuse me there is already a railway from Lao Cai to Hanoi that has been in operation for decades. Please get your facts straight. The only "missing link" per se would be like a 3 km stretch from Hekou to Lao Cai by train, but that's no big deal as you can just walk across the border and then catch a taxi to the Lao Cai train station as is currently the case.

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