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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Successful Z-visa run to HK?

Specifically the "consulate of choice" (to apply work visa from) must be filled on internet form when inputting data for application of "work permit application notice".

This chosen consulate does not appear on the "NOTIFICATION LETTER OF FOREIGNER’S WORK PERMIT" that you must attach to work visa application, but the information is stored in system and accessible to the visa authorities via the barcode in the paper.

This note is mainly for those registering their own companies (and subsequently getting to fill these applications online by themselves). I recently did this myself.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > getting UK documents legalised

@tigertiger: "I could be wrong, but I think the whole authentication process only needs to be done once."

For the purpose of work permit application, the no-criminal certificate is only valid for 6 months or so, so if you apply for another work permit later, you need to get a new original certificate and repeat the whole legalization process for it. Even if only the printout date changes.

Education certificates do not have similar validity period. I guess they assume degrees can never be taken away from someone (which is of course not true, but quite rare).

The process does not seem any different or more difficult for UK nationals than it is for others (save perhaps citizens of greater China outside the mainland jurisdiction).

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Forums > Living in Kunming > getting UK documents legalised

@debased: "I'm using Hague Apostille (A.K.A The Apostille Service)"

Be careful with that though - "Hague Apostille" generally refers to an international convention (Hague Convention Abolishing the Requirement of Legalisation for Foreign Public Documents), which aims to reduce bureaucracy related to accepting documents in other countries.

In practise, if your document is certified with such "apostille" in the country of its origins, it would be accepted in all countries that have signed into this concention.

But China is not signed to this. Apostille stamp is not sufficient for documents to be used in China - they need to be specifically legalized by Chinese consulate abroad, and Chinese consulate first requires them to be legalized by the foreign ministry of the country.

In your case, the service provider may of course do the full consulate legalization rather than just apostille.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Too much communication

Imagine state of being (not necessarily of humans) where each individual is constantly fully aware of everything that happens with and/or in vicinity of every other individual.

A collective hive-mind in the sense of Borg or whatever your favourite imaginary aliens are.

Are we in rudimentary steps toward that direction?

Is that direction wrong to begin with, or are we just so limited beings (technologically and biologically), that we cannot efficiently enough filter the information relevant to each individual from all that noise?

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Anyone here gotten a Chinese Green Card?

@cloudtrapezer

In my opinion, 163% annual rise from 2015 to 2016 is actually quite big, an probably any reference to "world gone by" in this context refers to years before just 2016, not sometime last decade or last century.

While the absolute numbers are still probably trailing far behind USA or other countries, also in this context China's annual "growth rate" seems to be >150%, which I suspect is competitive to any developed country.

Of course given the Chinese system, it should be understandable (even if not agreeable), why they employ more scrutiny and perhaps have refused more applications in the past.

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@Geogramatt: "Why the rush? Let this generation pass peacefully. The young all want to leave anyway."

I would think that it makes China look bad (and that's what the leadership cares, despite what their actions sometimes come through as), if there are so many elder people left behind in undeveloped rural homes.

Combine this with left behind children, who often are seen sharing those poor living conditions with their grandparents (if even that).. If the elderly are migrated to better housing closer to even minimal services, then so would their grandchildren - and that's for the future, right now.

As of late, Chinese pro-party commentators have repeatedly mentioned that Deng never said that it is glorious to be rich for everyone - they argue that Deng always meant for select few to become rich first, and rest later.

If much of China growth, or at least opening the potential to it, can be attributed to reforms that Deng initiated, then just as much of the so-called economic injustice (or relative poverty) can be attributed to those same political decisions - not so much people unintentionally falling off the wagon of development and economic prosperity, as is case in some western countries.

Secondly, the culture of shared poverty being the glorious thing (that the previous generations were forced to), would not have disappeared over night.

I have witnessed the internal conflict in some elderly rural residents in Yunnan, torn between being angry for not getting to enjoy the fruits of China's growth on one hand, and not accepting the steps that would be needed to pick the fruits on the other hand.

I was at a rural funeral in Yunnan last autumn, and throughout the event there was a bookkeeper registering and writing down all donations.'

Back then I understood that the family had purchased the feast for a certain price, and this communal bookkeeper was subtracting the payment for that from all those donations.

But in light of this article, I wouldn't be surprised if he served some administrative role as well.

Chinese state does have some economic muscle, and tradition of state-owned enterprising. I think that the state should jump in here.

They could confistace this kind of non-monetary resources (like bricks, or frozen french fries), pay market price to the employees, and then sell the goods back to the market (or donate to charity) through it's own channels.

But I guess there is more bucks in cigarattes and oil.

@alienew: "drive investors to go to places where they can get away"

Well, technically it would drive them away to places where they can get away with unpaid wages in some other ways than being beaten to death.

Preferably the alternative would be a more civilized way to lose face than doing so concretically.

The process somewhere else would be that after 1-2 months salary is unpaid, the employees quit and contact union, which then more or less peacefully negotiates the best possible solution between the employer and the employee.

The workers can then choose better representatives, if the union-led negotiations still produce nothing but bricks as compensation for unpaid wages.

The problem in China is that if you quit, there are 10 other guys waiting to take your position regardless of how you were dealt with.

But in that scale, there is usually just 1 guy offering those positions, and if he or she is dealt with this way, there may not be another guy taking his place.

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