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Forums > Living in Kunming > What do I need to open a language school in YN?

Thanks guys I appreciate your concern but with my modest experience in China I noticed that if somebody wants to rip you off or get you in trouble, they will succeed.

It doesn't matter what it is about, Visa, rent, business license, business partners...you name it.

But this unfortunate chance I have to accept, as you have in other countries as well.
I put that in my business-plan as the factor/ formula named 'luck'. While all other aspects of the business are absolutely bulletproof.

My model is flawless, so the only thing that can go down is all the registration stuff an the financial investment.
That's why I want to keep it tiny, so that the damage stays as little as possible.

It's an investment, if I loose it, then it's bad luck, I don't care if it's by shitty business partners, an earthquake, a rotten lawyer or rotten officials.

I made the dicision to open it and I will open it, so it would be really helpful if I could get info about how to open a school and not to whom I could loose if shit hits the fan.

I appreciate your concern but I know it's possible that I will loose all my investment and all the bad people that are around. I will deal with it if it happens (which I hope it won't).
Besides that, there are many businesses that run well and have not been ripped off by the entire Asian world.

Wouldn't mind to hear their story. Sometimes it fels like everyone in Kunming is suffering from paranoia and depression.
As bad as Yunnan/China is pictured in all the forums and reports I wonder how people are still alive, healthy, well fed, not ripping people off, happy etc.

I understand there is bad business and bad people but I am aware there are some good ones, too.

I will try to work with those guys. :D

So here is some data:

-200000 Yuan is absolutely collateral if I loose it, "ce la vie"
-my physical investment, nobody can take from me.

My business partner? I trust him because we are in this, with the same risk, time/finance. except that he has no interest or demands financially (well off Chinese guy), and so will it be set up (accounts, branding, registration etc...).
My business plan is set, and it has some security measures as well, the specialty is "ME", so if someone takes over they have to clone me to run it the same style I do.
Plus 2 more little insurance traps.

So they are welcome to take over and rip me off as long as I keep the license and my stuff, becasue I can move whereever I want.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > What do I need to open a language school in YN?

Thanks TigerTiger
You are right the tax stuff is a whole other Universe of crazy. :)

About registration
I think I will go with the Culture Exchange or Education/Language Consultancy as my business scope.
Since I stay far enough out of the education but not completely avoiding it in terms of legal status. My lawyer friend said in both it would be expected that teaching may happen.So officially it would be somewhere in the gray areas of the law.

Plus as much as Iknow depending on the officials and registry office a deposit account between 30,000 and 100,000 RMB is the standard and that is something I was planning to invest just for the registration.

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TICexpats:
No I am not a qualified ESL teacher and meeting plenty of those teachers, tells me that it doesn't mean much in the real world, although I agree it's good to have it for getting a job but not neccessary to do a good job.
Nonetheless I am a teacher by trade, with almost 20 years experience.
I was running several schools before, including teaching, curriculum design, admin, HR etc. so I think I can handle it.
My school model is flawless it's really just to register, that I don't know much about. So far the WFOE sounds good and seems like everyone is pointing at.

About lawyers I never trusted them as well as banks, so I will avoid them as much as possible. I have 2 lawyer buddies and they were honest with me and said that the whole thing is a bit fuzzy, becasue of the officials I have to deal with.

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Thanks HFCAMPO:
I think I got my business strategy pretty much figured out, but I agree with a lot of things you mentioned.
I just need to figure out the best deal for me, to legalize my company, btw. thanks for all of you above for the useful advise.

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@ASG91 @Macky
I don't know, if you were involved in the planning.

I have done event-planning at the East coast for 5 years and there are no; 'no-profit', events.

I don't want to sound rude but you should thank Kiara for her comments and in case you were in the team.

Because, she went to the festival.

She is a paying customer, being condescending or defending, is not helpful.

Do you want people to feel sorry for the staff, or not having the perfect event?
Then I can only recommend,....don't do gigs like that.

If you need your customers to feel sorry for the volunteers, that's not very good.

Next time give 'em a sticker 'Volunteer', if you need them to get more sympathy.

Or just invest and pay them, most volunteers are happy to be there and have a few free drinks and their entrance fee covered.

I think you should actually ask Kiara what the exact problems were.

We all know planning gigs isn't easy, but as customers, we have the privilege, to not wanting to hear about it.

If you want to get your festival more famous (and please don't tell me that you don't want it to grow bigger) that would be helpful.

So, I can't let that that stand -what you wrote.

Events in rural China are cheaper than in the city, usually permission is easier to get, especially if the region is not on the grid.

Looking at the pictures I can't see that you did spend loads of money on location, i.e. security.

A few basics;
Usual planning of an event is 6 month to 8 month and that is Beijing-time, including, fire-code, security planning and briefing, harmony-background check of the artist, etc.

And I am sure you guys got a little bit of [well deserved] money. And that is O.K.

What seems to be the issue of Kiara and customers telling about the event, has nothing, to do with money but with planning and managing.

I don't know the prices you charged but I am sure it wasn't cheap and giving people no other choices but all of them these eating [three meals a day] and drinking at your food stall only....I guess there was something falling off the table, financially.

My little advice, split the bar[s] up next time, and away from the food.

It diverts the event-goers, and naturally shortens waiting lines.

So are little snack shops, which you can run or rent and make even more money.

They also divert event-goers.

Separating the booze from beer and soft drinks is a must, especially when understaffed.

People know what they want to buy, they go by the beer, booze, or beverage instinct
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That way it is less stress for the volunteers.

An old saying in the field; the bar is more important than the stage.

From what I see and hear, it hasn't been planned very well. Which is alright, I mean it's the second open air festival, so it takes time. But planning is the key, and being overly cost-efficient is not helping.

Let other F&B's in, you make much more and easier money, by renting out stalls and asking for profit share. And you have far less work.

And thus, allow people to get more variety and chose prices and items they like.

The bar only stacks, what is easiest for you to produce, -quickly!

People are very generous when it comes to drink choices at concerts. That way, you don't have to worry about an angry beer mob.

Make it easy for you, to offer mixed and ready-to-go drinks.

Well, even beer you can be put out on the counter for a few minutes.

The gig looks awesome though, and I will go for sure next time, problems fixed, or not. I just really like small gigs.

For me it looks like a great and worthy event to go to, but it suffered the usual, make it cheap and sell it with profit, China-gig.

Throw some money out of the window, you will lose money either way, if you run those festivals like that.
But in the long run, you will only make real profit, and achieve success when the festival grows.

The faster you accept that thought, the sooner you will have success.

P.M. me if you want help, for the next gig. If you guys are really, absolutely non-profit, I will help you for free.

P.S. I know it's difficult to plan events in China, but please, if there is even the tiniest negative comment, take it and live it. It is the result of your planning, so accept it and make it perfect next time.

In the end, congratulations and Good Luck for next year.

@tiger
i still don't get why anyone would keep bad meat for that long, cooling it storage rent, transportation, blocked storage space etc.

i mean most meats or fish, even deepfrozen store about a year or two,maybe a little more, if you are crazy enough to try.

somebody must have had a long and intimate relation with that meat, to hold onto it for that long.

I am honored that Colin let me (test)read it a few month back. And it was a wonderful read. I actually enjoyed the pace and structure in the beginning, which i think is very helpful, if you don't know him or the other Sal's guys.

the book is witty and very funny at the right spots. I can only recommend it.

If you just want a nice afternoon read, if you want to open a business and get an inside view on how to change and better employment standards and motivation in China, knowing Sal's and Colin better, or reading on how to handle massive tradegy in a rough place....it's a long list.

the onlycrticism it gets from me is, that it is two short. So, Colin i am waiting for the sequel!

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The probably most family friendly place. They have a spacious area with toys, crayons and other children entertaining materials around. The owner and the staff always have a little play time for the kids, at least when we were there.

If they would get a little play area for kids, it would get all my votes for favorite 'everything', at the gokunming awards. There is a playground (entrance fee, quite steep). So If you have kids it's the best place to hang out. The owner has a lot of kid treats for kids, organic unsweetened yogurt, etc.

The pizza is great, and could compete with other pizza joints in China. For my taste it's a bit heavy on garlic but, if you let the staff know they will moderate the garlic use.

I can only agree with the other posters. Prices seem steep but when you see the pizza, it makes sense. Portions are huge. I ordered a family pizza for a treat to 15 kids, we still had left overs, and we were all stuffed.

The dough is a bit thicker but the tomato sauce tastes fresh made, and the amount balances the dough thickness. It's always plenty of ingredients on the pizza.

So in total it's a great spot, with good prices and good and healthy varieties. If you are with kids, it is a really good spot. If the staff is busy or the toys are taken, just send your kid to the indoor playground, opposite. Watch them have fun, from the huge glass windows and enjoy a nice draft, or craft beer while munching on your tomato Frisbee.

That's why I am giving it 5 stars.

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...best coach I ever had and i practiced Wushu at Beijing University of Physical Education and with a few members of the Beijing Wushu Team.

He is sharp, he gets your daily mood and doesn't mind when you scream to heavens when things don't work out in practice.

He has very modern teaching methods and really wants you to progress. He won't just let you repeat every move until you get it yourself.

He offers free trial classes. You won't be dissappointed.