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Forums > Living in Kunming > Non-smoking bar or dance club WANTED

@ Dazzer: Laws are specially significant when they protect others from harm.

That is why non-smoking laws were created and successfully passed approval, despite having being heavily argued against and opposed by strong lobbies.
The post you mentioned was not an "argument", but instead, a reply directed to TCIexpat. I know my way around logic enough to logically infer without the use of leverages or fallacies, thanks.

Forums > Living in Kunming > Non-smoking bar or dance club WANTED

@ Natsymir:

Ripping the guy's cigarette off his hand is "cruel", yet for a non-smoker having to endure an 11 hour bus trip Kunming-Tenchong with smoke circulating is also not cruel ?

Furthermore, is it still "cruel" to take the action I took when it was politely asked for the person to stop smoking a couple of times?

Keep in mind the law was on my side mind when I did that.

Your "VPN Access example" of a common law infraction cannot be compared to breaking a law that directly and negatively affects ANOTHER PERSON, such as the non-smoking law.

Natsymir, your have the morality and values of a 10 year old.

Forums > Living in Kunming > Non-smoking bar or dance club WANTED

People say anything they want when they are safeguarded, but when out in public it's a different situation.

As Wanderlei Silva once said to Chael Sonnen when they had to share a limo ride to UFC:

-You have respect, you no lose your teeth. (sic)

Non-smokers want to have the right to avoid smoke due to their personal or health issues (allergies/rhinitis) and NOT because they think they are superior to non-smokers.

Their concern is also backed up by law, the message is: respect.

Forums > Living in Kunming > Is Kunming Racist?

I agree with the idea that the chinese schools might have had trouble with the issuing of visas to african countries passport holders in the past.

I wouldn't be so concerned about what chinese people think of you, there will always people who will want to be your friends.

Forums > Living in Kunming > Non-smoking bar or dance club WANTED

@ MODERATOR: please check TICexpats for his conduct on the forum.

@TICexpats: I created a thread hear some suggestions on a smoke free establishment. Smoking under closed public spaces is forbidden by law in all chinese territory.

I don't like the sarcastic tone of your post.
As a non-smoker I will continue to make sure the law stands, I will not leave Yunnan, or China. If you cannot respect the laws of this country, you will end up being deported.

@All:Last week, in a bus from Kunming to Tengchong, I had to personally take the cigarette out of the hand of the reserve bus driver (2 of them alternate shifts) and put it out on the floor. This was after I told him two times to put it out and was ignored. It generated a major commotion in the bus.

@TICexpats, again: Why don't you try smoking near me in an elevator or restaurant. I would enjoy teaching you some respect, boy.


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I live in Chenggong and need to take the bus to Kunming on the weekends to work. So I gotta take bus 170 and stop at the bust terminal Ju Hua Cun to take yet another bus to work.

This sunday I was standing at the bus stop waiting for my usual 10:30 bus. and it jut would't come, after waiting for half an hour and getting desperate. Some kind chinese then stopped his car and told me that the morning bus service was canceled and that I should take the subway!

Guess what, after taking the subway and paying 4 damned kuai, I stopped halfway between Chenggong and Ju Hua Cun and guess which bus I had to take? Yes 170, the same bus take I used to take and that took me directly to from Chenggong to Ju Hua Cun for 2 kuai...

So they force you to take the subway, spend double the money, just to make you have to take the same bus you used to take again later because

and the subway stops halfway your route.

Add that to the fact I need to take another three buses you got Chaos, by the way, you'll have a surprise whenever you reach the last stop of you subway route, get out to take a bus and marvel at the amount of people waiting at the bus stop. You're screwed...

Louis... you about are 5 years late.

Kunming nowadays has brown skies and chaotic traffic. The headline photo above is deceiving, I bet it was either taken a long time ago or during the end of a prolonged holiday; the sky just doesn't quite look like that anymore. I don't want to sound like a hater but the truth can be rather disappointing.

I have lived and worked in all of the cities quoted above (as well as Taipei n HK) in exception of Xiamen and Qindao... Kunming is not a bad place to live, however the recent industrial output here and lack of diesel emission control is destroying the only reason KM was big in the eyes and nose of expats: the environment.

IN A COUPLE OF YEARS FROM NOW, the PM 2.5 levels will be reaching 200 constantly, there will be no advantages to choose Kunming over any other chinese city. Yes it will be hazy and unhealthier because when combined with its high altitude the health effects will be worst than other cinese cities.



Call before you go, I went there on thursday and there was no one in there,

I called one of the owners, and they said that they weren't going to open.

I lost my trip, I love the concept of the restaurant, No MSG and etc, but ended up having to pay for a cab ride and getting a growling stomach.

If the same thing happens to you, just go down the road until the road ends and the last 2 story restaurant across the street is very also decent. Order the sweet and sour fish and it also won't have any MSG.


No Bus to Chenggong from the airport, had to go downtown and get a 150 RMB taxi.

I mean isn't this a district of Kunming? Then why not make transportation available?

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