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Forums > Food & Drink > Western-run places in KM too expensive?

Yeah why not? Dust off

a few of your family recipes. Get some investment money and ask your Chinese wife or family or friend to open it, or get a WOFE [though, then not so cheap anymore]

Anyway it isn't that hard, especially after the business licenses and investment limit has been loosened by the government.

It's a good market in Kunming. as you can see by the amount of newly opened diners around town. An even better indication, the non existing amounts of diners closing, due to lack of business.

Forums > Food & Drink > Western-run places in KM too expensive?

First, you don't have to justify your business idea or costs calculations.

For all you should care you could charge 1000 RMB for a Coke. It's your successful business and how much profit you make, or how you make it, is as you please.

But you are

comparing 2 different things.
The local food market price vs. bulk and F&B supplier prices.

I am sure that your bulk purchase costs have not changed.
The same goes for staff salaries, unless you hire experienced, already trained staff.

The local staff we hired was had an increase of 500RMB from 10 years ago. Without experience and training in the restaurant business 1500 RMB - 2000RMB [the years ago] to nowadays 2500 RMB to 3000 RMB. All depending on skill and experience. A good staff manager or bar manager, of course can ask for more.

And I am sure that the prices you pay for coffee, booze and food ingredients have not changed a lot in the last ten years, -when buying large quantities.

Smoked salmon is very cheap, from what I remember at METRO. A bit over 100RMB for 700gram of already smoked salmon. 139RMB for a kilo of uncured salmon, if you want to trouble yourself or fry it.

Burmese avocados are also rather cheap when bought in bulk through the right suppliers, same goes with vegetables and even meat [including beef].

There have been increases in prices but in my calculations, it doesn't justify what many owners do. To link their overall prices to single market items, or just raise whenever they feel like, when the news report tofu prices

to increase.

Plus, you cannot just add RMB's on all items. A restaurant lives from crowds of customers and talking about what a bowl of noodles costs has little to do with the business concept of a bar or restaurant

Well of course you can all do that and I don't have a problem with that, at all. It is a business and it shall thrive, but you have to expect complaints from customers and them argue about increases of prices.

And they are right. It cannot be that Kunming is more expansive, or at least on the same price level with Beijing or Shanghai.

that just doesn't add up

The only agreeable point is rent, but many have dodged that bullet by moving to a cost friendlier location.

I understand the frustration of some customers, I only visit two foreign owned joints in Kunming, because all others are overpriced for the quality and portions.

In short having a foreign restaurant is still a very good business with very large profit margins.

You guys seem to have a very good life, otherwise you wouldn't run the café and expand. Right?

Forums > Living in Kunming > Mass murderer in Kunming

My wife thinks it's impossible to kill 19 people without anyone noticing or callingvthe police. Also she said when the news broke out, there was mention of multiple assailants. But I guess we will never hear what is or was going on. It is pretty big on social media though.

But killing 19people including kids and old folks: this guy should go to a labour camp and being beaten mercilessly, for the rest of his life . Death penalty is too short and too easy.

Forums > Living in Kunming > Another Kunming kid abducted

Nobody is smearing your advertisement, so what does that have to do with your stupid advertisements.

So your word is more valuable than ours. I thought the the forum is for everybody. I am not an angel but I am contributing to this thread. Different to you, swinging in here and judging with your entitled buttocks.
So, maybe you are a rich jerk and if what I wrote upsets you, then it makes me happy.

Please if you don't mind, let me know what business you own, so I can actively avoid it.

Btw. I have a 3 year old daughter and I am as scared as any other parent.
You may not know that, being driven everywhere and your army of nannies, taking care of your kids.
So, why not shut your trap for a moment, and think before you write like an a**.

You could also just ignore what people write.

Most kids just get snatched, not due to a lack of supervision, but because there are professional criminals and they have a plan. Hell,there was kid abducted out of its stroller at the big crossroad at Beichen station, while mom was waiting at a red light. A van drives-by, hit's the break, man jumps out intimidating the mom and another guy takes the kid.

Of course these guys do that for a living, so I doubt they would try to take a kid from a 2meter tall bodybuilder, with friends around.

Plus from what my wife told me, they take all the kids clothes, except the underwear and dump their garments somewhere, so the GPS thing may only work for a few minutes after the abduction.


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What you are talking about vicar, and alien are so called gateway drugs.

Most gateway drugs must have a strong physical addiction potential, or because they are extremely easy to get. And most important it depends on when you are starting with substances which could lead to addiction.
And then number one gateway drug[s] are alcohol and tobacco.

As most kids experiment with these two early on, then the way is paved.

Weed comes in [usually] at a later age, at which you should have already physically and psychologically learned, how to say no.

Otherwise, how is it that states with open cannabis laws, have a lower addiction rate for harder drugs?

In my opinion alcohol and nicotine are the worst of all drugs and gateway drugs.

If you are talking crime, then legalizing the ones that do less harm than the legal drugs, is a necessary step.

Tax alcohol 300%, tobacco 800% and state grown cannabis, peyote, mushrooms at Value Added Tax and 300% if it's blended in with tobacco. And you will see, less barfights, domestic violence, rape, murder, drug sales, vs. increases in consumption of cartoons and animations, boosting the snacks industry, music awareness, camping, et cetera. Lol

Alcohol is a nerve toxin. THC isn't.

In general people wanna get high, always get high.

Is there any person ever getting robbed for weed? The purse snatching story is more in the line of alcohol, meth or crack.

The best way is to stay away form any substances that alter your state of mind, ...if you can.

War on drugs has always failed and will always fail.
Humans are crazy about getting high, for whatever reasons.

It's just about choosing your drug.

Sport, coffee, tea, alcohol, chocolate, tobacco, sex, talking crap in forums and chat lines, there is nothing people can't get addicted to.

And people will always get high if they want to.

So decriminalizing, prevention, education is the way to go.
State controlled outlets for drugs, addicts get free and clean needles, and check ups for typical drug fiend diseases.

Holland has worked fine, and so are Canada, and most of the states in the US, as far as you can say over the short period of time.

The judicial system get's relieved over something it cannot stop anyway.
Taking care of the hard drug users and addicts, and education and prevention from the taxes on legal drugs, and you have a good chance to succeed.

China is playing USA in the 1980's, a few crop incentives won't help, while people are being thrown in jail over smoking a bit of pot, or taking XTC. But hopefully they will see the stupidity of it.

It's incorrect weed or soft drugs don't lead to addiction or demand for harder drugs.
It's an individual problem, some people take heroin, once and never feel like taking drugs again. Some drink a few drinks and soon are hitting it hard.

There is no rule or solution for personal addiction.

Great! Thanks for putting it up.

Do they also accept scooter and e-bike parts?

I mean not through Salvador, perhaps. I guess they wouldn't like their café to be an 'old scooter storage'.

But since every idiot is hailing Tesla's and e-mobility, and forgetting that they riding toxic waste and mountains of carbon fumes around, it would be worth knowing how to at least get rid of the old batteries and e-parts,....-properly!

I don't have much sympathy for the shop owners. I agree with Haali, Mike and Tiger.

They sell cheap taobao, crap for up to 500% its value, most stuff has nothing to do with Lijiang and 5 drum shops on 200meters of road is a bit overkill.

None of the stuff ever sold in China, is by customer demand. Some Dongbei bloke, thinks Lijiang needs fake African drums, and shiny toy drones, so they open 60 shops in the old town, because they have money. And think the more annoying, loud and screamy advertisement you have the more people buy.

All others investors, due to lack of creativity, will open shops with the exact same product, in 30 shops of their own, in Chinese, then it's called cultural preservation. No shop owner in Lijiang is local. The locals all rent out, cause they can make tons of money. They don't give a crap. If you own property in the old town, you are rich.

Lijiang and Dali = greed, from all sides.

The tourists buy the crap that is offered, cos they have no idea, what is local culture....hence China not having any real culture left, after the Revolution....

So welcome to Yunnan Disneyland.

For all I care, charge 500RMB each time you enter the old town, 1000RMB if you must.
Let the shops go out of business, I rather see a run down but original old town, than that freak show.

I don't go there anyway, I rather go to small village guesthouses, in the area, and spend my money on hiking, good local food and relaxation, rather then squeezing through million of tourists, on roads that are barely big enough to let squirrels pass.

Lijiang and Dali were once really beautiful spots. Now they are just money laundering and cash mills. The real China is never found in touristy old town.

The article is great and thanks for putting it back into the view of the public. Yeah that girl and her lawyer, really have balls, to go against the people convicting her.

But these people don't like to be messed with. They will probably put her against bars again.

But I hope they also try to find the murderer, otherwise there is still a babykiller on the loose. See Steven Avery.



Sorry this probably belongs into the forum section...But just to clarify and thanks to overrated reviews I went to CC with high expectations to get some delicacies, I wanted to surprise my wife with a delicacy and there was absolutely nothing that Parkson, Metro or Carrefour don't have.I don't like Chorizo so there has to be more than just that to make me give 5 stars.Plus I already gave them 3 stars, for the very positive things I experienced.There are no products that other shops don't offer, except if their products are home made but I didn't see any labels stating it's organic or home made.For the cold cuts I found as well as the cheeses are all (or most) available at other stores.I didn't know that they make sandwiches and I will give that a try especially knowing that Sandra is involved in the making which usually leads to a yummy tummy.But again as delicacy shop it's very unimpressive and as stated before I believe it will get better. So I am not bashing it but trying to help the owners to give some ideas not just applause because I like Sandra's food...which I do.So I recommend to give realistic reviews. 5 stars just because you like one item there will just disappoint potential CC patrons that are not going for Sandwiches or Chorizo.It's a shop with tons of potential and I will come back to try the Sandwich and see what else they will have in future. But giving more than 3 stars for what I saw wouldn't be fair.


I went there and all the fake Ikea (furniture) items were almost twice as much as the originals at Ikea. The fixing guys are good but as mentioned above at least need a week or two to drill 4 holes in the wall.

The little knick knacks are ok and reasonably priced. For real furniture, I wouldn't buy there. Better and cheaper options available. But good for cheap and nice decorations and accessories.


I practiced there for a few weeks but unforntunately I had to stop, due to relocation.
It's a good school but what I didn't like was the Martial Arts blend between traditional kungfu and modern wushu, similar to the Henan one.
But I still like it for the good exercise, staff and classmates.

I am not sure if there are actually some real kungfu monks, so if you are looking for the full martial package, you might get disappointed, as almost anywhere in China.

Be aware that practice is not in the temple but in a kungfu school one block away

That said, it is in my opinion the best choice in Kunming to practice the closest to real martial arts (besides taiji). And it's very reasonably priced.