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@lover You are mistaken on my feeling about Trump. I was a “Never Trumper” until he was nominated and did not vote for him in 2016. That said, I was surprised and impressed with the economic successes he made; lowest unemployment overall, high employment rates for Blacks, Hispanics, Asians and women plus strong GDP growth. The US income disparity also lessened with wage growth of the lowest paid workers exceeding the highest paid.

As for the “malaria medication,” it seems Fauci’s own National Institutes of Health - published on August 22, 2005, under the heading “Chloroquine Is a potent Inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread” Write the researchers “We report that chloroquine has strong antiviral effects on SARS-CoV infection of primate cells. These inhibitory effects are observed when the cells are treated with the drug either before or after exposure to the virus, suggesting both prophylactic and therapeutic advantage.”

Said Dr Fauci's NIH in 2005. “Concentrations of 10 μM completely abolished SARS-CoV infection.” Fauci's researchers add: “chloroquine
can effectively reduce the establishment of infection and spread of SARS-CoV”

Neither the WHO or US CDC advocate for the lockdowns that Fauci seems to, maybe, might have called for. Fauci has flipped and flopped using weasel words like may, maybe, could, possibly, “at this point in time” so often I agree it is difficult to state when he was actually wrong. On masks, he was sincere, smooth and convincing when he said “there is no reason” for Americans to walk around wearing masks other than “for show.” Today, Fauci is fully vaccinated but wears double masks.

Again, neither the WHO or US CDC advocate for the drastic lockdowns Fauci favors.

Lastly, questions are finally being asked as to how and why Fauci, despite Obama's on virus "gain-of-function" research in 2014, continued to finance such research. Watch the news.

Forums > Travel Yunnan > Flying in the time of Covid

@Dazzer But Trump did use the wartime production act, at least twice, or at least used it to gain "cooperation." Even the Great Saint Fauci said that masks were not necessary while he was advising Trump.

Trump uses the word "hoax" a lot; it is a poor word choice, in my opinion. I don't remember Trump using "hoax" re COVID, but I'll give you that one.

"created a culture of covid denial, leading to the additional deaths of 100s of 1000s of Americans" Actually, there was a time when two Million American deaths were forecasted. Today American deaths are said to be 567K. That number is legitimately disputable and, given the odd cause of death rules, maybe overstated.

For example, hospitals were paid 3X the government money if COVID was the cause of death. In one case, a guy was shot twice, but a postmortem PCR test indicated the presence of COVID, and COVID was given as the cause of death. In New York, elderly persons with COVID were moved to nursing homes, and 15K vulnerable old folks in those homes died of COVID. Human nature at its finest: Pay more for COVID deaths. You get more COVID deaths. As the Governor of New York said, "They're dead, who cares."

Yes, there is a reluctance to get vaccinated. There are multiple reasons, and they don't have much to do with Trump. First the issue of side effects. Generally, there is little information as bad news is being suppressed. There have been some bad batches but a remarkable silence on side effects or adverse reactions. It is also difficult to schedule an appointment to get the shot as ALL APPOINTMENTS are filled in minutes every week.

Everyone I know, 100%, has, or is, getting vaccinated.

But this week, the head of the CDC said once vaccinated, you can begin to enjoy life. Great! But Saint Fauci wasted no time in getting on TV saying "No." Even vaccinated, and we are to keep wearing masks, only congregate in small family groups in private homes, keep social distance. Biden echoed this news. And they are saying this is going to be the protocol until 2022 sometime.

If 3.5 Million vaccine doses are being given daily, 1% of Americans, I have to call BS. First, Americans refusing to get vaccinated, and second, that Orange Man Bad is the reason.

Forums > Travel Yunnan > Flying in the time of Covid

@Lover I will accept your China stats without comment.

As for Trump, well I guess mobilizing government and pharma companies into action, contracting for hundreds of millions of undeveloped vaccines, and having two viable vaccines being delivered into American shoulders in nine months rather than the typical four or five years (Biden got his first jab a month before he took office) and tasking military logistics experts organize production supplies and plan vaccine distribution sorta shows a modicum of seriousness.

Biden's contribution was to proclaim he would have 100 million doses delivered in 100 days at a point when vaccine production was well ramped up, and the average rate of shots was well over 700K per day by the day he was sworn in. When this was pointed out to Biden, his response was to order a few hundred million more doses of already developed vaccine.

Trump, for all his bluster and mean tweets, did what business leaders do: He organized leaders, set goals and targets, and applied pressure when needed. Trump led the orchestra, set the tempo and things happened.

Forums > Travel Yunnan > Flying in the time of Covid

Including the US in "those not taking it not serious" makes me wonder.

With a population of about 330 Million the US has performed 415 Million COVID tests.

Vaccine dose administered per day in the US are running at 3.5 Million (7 day average) and about 39% of the U.S. population has received at least one vaccination and 24% is fully vaccinated, according to the CDC.

The seven-day average of daily US deaths is 714 on 16 April.

US immunity, fully vaccinated plus cases, is about 33%. Given that each day in the US about 1% of the population, 3.5 Million of the mostly vulnerable people, is getting a dose of, one or another, vaccine, the case rate is expected to decline.

The US uses "PCR" testing which is somewhat problematic and another topic.


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Interesting place. Tagged along with some folks and got a few good photos. It seemed to be a trek to get there, 4 buses, and about an hour in time. But then, we didn't take any of the buses Chris mentioned.

The place is quite large. Lots to see and explore. Eating would be no problem unless you are paranoid about eating in China. On the food street there seemed to be a lot of English words in the signs.

We were there last Sunday and it was pretty hot but water and other drinks were easy to buy. It was pretty crowded with few foreign faces.

It is a bit far by bus but worth the time to experience something a little different.

I will go back on a cooler day.

I gotta agree with HFCAMPO, I seem to a lot of digging to follow up on some interesting locations.

I found this place over two years ago while wandering around taking photos.

It is off of Huashan Dong Lu, 花山东路, on the east side of the street. The entrance to the lane is a flight of stairs going down. You can see quite way down the xiang but the museum is not noticeable from Huashan Dong Lu. You got to go down the steps and look for it on the left side as you are heading east.

Bus 92, going north, stops quite near the entrance to the xiang. It is pretty close to Yuan Tong Si, across the street and to the east of the temple you will find Huashan Dong Lu.

As one of the few laowai, perhaps the only White one, that has an AiXin card, I gotta tell you the new 2 kuai buses were not well publicized therefore a surprise to us old folks. My young Chinese friends also didn't know of the new service.

To EnglishTeacher: Your perception of 老年人 is a little weird. On crowded buses few give up their seats. I have never, again, never saw a 老年人 get a seat without expressing thanks. Usually, when someone gives up a seat for me, it is another 老年人. Shame on you. Go back to Beijing where rudeness rules.

I do think the 2 kuai bus is a good idea. I don't mind waiting for a free bus. The one time I did pay to get on a 2 kuai bus no one gave up a seat.

Hopefully, You guys will get to be old, with aches and pains, and will endure being shoved out of the way by some healthy dude, or dudette, so he/she can sit.

Not getting a seat on a Kunming bus is a function of the large number of people that use the well run system. 老年人 are only a marginal part of the problem and the bus is the only way many 老年人 can afford to get around, free or not and with or without a seat.



Good for quality, but pricey, hand tools.

Be aware they will push whatever they are selling. Some of the staff have no idea about the technical side of appliances.

I went there to buy a stove. I repeatedly told them I would be using bottled gas. They sold me a stove. When I went to my local gas guy, I learned there are at least three kinds of gas sold. Luckily, B&Q did not deliver as promised. I went back to the store and discovered they had sold me a stove they needed to be hooked up to the gas main. I got my money back.

The sales lady was almost in tears, 没有问题!I don't know if it a safety or design issue, but I would think B&Q would know and care.


Last week had an 8:45am flight.

Subway starts at 9am. I have no idea where to catch an airport express bus. Eight taxis refused to go to the airport. After almost an hour standing on Beijing Lu took a black taxi, this dude drives slower than my mother, 120 yuan.

Flight back was delayed so I learned the subway stops running at 6:10pm.

Getting a taxi back was easy, more taxis than customers. Taxi was 87 yuan including 1o yuan toll, airport to Beichen area. Yes, he took a longer route than necessary.

Kunming imagines being a gateway for international travelers. New airport but hard to get to and from it.

World Class Airport, NOT!


Tonight "Peacock", a performance by Yang Liping (杨丽萍), to begin her world tour, 8pm, 100-1680 yuan at Yunna Haigeng Auditorium.

Saw this lady perform at the Pasadena Civic Auditorium, in California, in 1995. Quite a good and interesting show.

I'm going to try to make it.


Not so good. Kimchi had a very sour taste. Other food was nothing to brag about. I don't think I would go back.