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Forums > Travel Yunnan > short trips from kunming

Generally you want to get a bus to most destinations in Yunnan. Trains don't go to many places, leave less frequently, and the train station is a pain to get to with the traffic these days.

Once you get 'out there' a bit sometimes you need to hitch or whatever as well.

I'd recommend the north bus station on Beijing Lu (in the north part of the city) as a good jumping-off point.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > short trips from kunming

There are so many.

The villages in the mountains near the Yangtse north of Kunming on the border of Sichuan.

Jianshui and Gejiu and Yuanyang.

Jinggu/Jingdong area.

Dali.

Luoping.

Just go to a bus stop and jump on a random bus! You won't be disappointed.

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Forums > Food & Drink > Kunming cuisine

There's load of great food: don't listen to the haters. Though there was some oil stuff in the news awhile back, you don't have to fear it in most places.

For starters, you can get a stupendous variety of vegetables (particularly mushrooms) done in many styles. For some ideas there check out vegetarian-china.info/ and pics on the facebook group.

Yunnan is famed for a few things, but mostly various types of rice noodles (cold, in soup, or fried), tofu dishes, the goat's cheese known as 'rubing', and Dai cuisine. Dai cuisine is Yunnan's Tai style cuisine, which can be roughly divided in to Dehong-style and Xishuangbanna-style, which are quite different. Both feature a lot of different types of bamboo as well as palm heart (banana flower).

A good place to eat a huge variety of cheap Yunnanese food is 'Kadilan', a two-floor restaurant opposite Mandarin Books on Wenhuaxiang.

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Another issue may be non-native bees being trucked around in huge quantities and randomly deployed, which is something I've seen a lot of over the last 15 years. I've interviewed the beekeepers and a fair number of them come from as far away as out of province (eg. Sichuan). There's a fair chance they compete with naturally established native bee colonies for food, possibly carry diseases to them, or even fight.

Chengjiang at the north of the lake has recently established a new sewage and runoff treatment and filtration system partly based upon a series of ponds and reed systems and extensive gardens along the foreshore. This helps to reduce the intake of detritus carried in post-rain flash flooding due to runoff. Assuming that system works as advertised, then the biggest issue Fuxian faces is not shampoo, but agricultural runoff. So far it has not had an algal bloom like northern Dianchi, but perhaps this is mainly because of its size and depth. Certain parts of the lake water near agricultural outflows are definitely polluted, with intensive chicken farming visible almost on the water in one case. Another big polluter is the military, who maintain a submarine base and a number of large ships which spew oil across the water every time they are operated.

THE NATIONAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD SEND A TEAM OF INSPECTORS AND RESOLVE THE PROBLEMS, THE LOCALS ARE INCAPABLE.

The article and comments are misleading.

A'Chang are spread out all over western Yunnan: "Baoshan prefecture, Longling and Tengchong counties; Dali Bai autonomous prefecture, Yunlong county; Dehong Dai-Jingpo autonomous prefecture and Baoshan district, Liangge, Longchuan, Luxi, and Yingjiang counties, Myanmar border area." www.ethnologue.com/language/acn + en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achang_language + en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achang_people

According to Wikipedia, Husa is the least linguistically and culturally intact of all A'Chang areas. "Speaking a distinct dialect, the Husa Achang (戶撒) living in Longchuan County (also in Dehong) consider themselves to be distinct and filed an unsuccessful application in the 1950s as a separate nationality. The Husa were more Sinicized than other Achang. For example, Confucian-styled ancestral memorial tablets are common in Husa homes. Most traditional Husa believe in a mixture of Theravada Buddhism and Taoism."

Much of southern Sichuan and much of Yunnan traditionally speak Tibeto-Burman languages, and this is a linguistic term and not a genetic one. The group includes languages such as Yi (China's and Yunnan's most numerous minority) as well as almost every other Yunnanese minority (Hani, Akha, Lahu, Nusu, Lisu, Sani, etc.). Many of these groups (as well as other minorities in Yunnan, like Tai speakers) have oral histories supporting migrations southwest from southern Sichuan, Guizhou or Guangxi, much of which is now well attested linguistically or genetically.

Even discarding linguistic evidence, given that the major events in Yunnanese history (usually invasions from the northeast: Chinese, Mongols, etc.), regional history (frequent invasions of the Red River delta) and regional prehistory (destruction of the Shu Kingdom of Sichuan during the Han Dynasty, to suggest the A'Chang "came from" or are "descended from" Burma is completely spurious.

Also note that the Bo people's area of the Sichuan/Yunnan borderlands was part of the culture the Chinese refer to as the Shu/Ba culture, which was a peripheral culture beneath the main Sichuan plains (various Shu kingdoms) that were conquered by the Han Chinese in the Han Dynasty. Period descriptions of Sichuan were essentially rainforested jungle with elephants, peacocks and other fauna... you can read more in the Classic of Mountains and Seas ... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_of_Mountains_and_Seas

Also in the Han Dynasty, onf ot the impassable steep rocky precipices of the area was bored through by a Zhuge Liang, thus opening a relatively direct and defensible route to Yunnan.

Check out what we found in Malipo, Wenshan last year: upload.wikimedia.org/[...]

Also nearby (also my pics on Wikipedia) was the amazing hanging tombs of the Ku people at at Bainitang (白泥塘): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanging_coffins ... the Ku people are said to have moved down from the Jinsha River Rock Art (金沙江岩画) area, where the Bo people still exist but no longer have the habit of making new cliff tombs. This makes the Ku people the last cliff tombs builders in Eurasia, as far as my research can tell. Amazing stuff, and really out of the way / hard to find. Great adventure finding them!

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@nailer is being unfairly dismissed: they are certainly fallible. At one point they were well managed and the only game in town, and their outdoor bar had an interesting social vibe. Recently, none of these is the case (was given a bad bill to the tune of ~300% - no managers present and a subsequent complaint resulted in a less than ideal outcome, many more places are now open, and the outdoor bar is closed). Unless you are specifically seeking faux-Americana (often far better examples elsewhere) or two degrees removed faux-Mexicana, there's little reason to go there. How come French Cafe can serve a great sandwich for 24 but Sals requires 50 for a pretend-exoticized nibble? Certainly the business will continue, but the hey-dey is clearly gone. Romaniticizing the past aint gonna help. E-waste recycling by shipping (non carbon neutral) junk across the country? Puh-lease. Garbage processing people here recycle anyway! I applaud the ethical stance of one of the managers, but the place has frankly lost its mojo.

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Hands down the best draft craft beer in Kunming. On top of that, very reasonable prices for food and other drinks (especially wine).

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Called the number provided on a Friday at 2:15PM while a 10% discount was advertised "on Friday and Saturday" (listed in GoKunming specials).

A Chinese person answered the 'English' phone number in Mandarin then explained in broken English that you need to order 3 hours in advance. (Subtext: As their business is so slow)

Grumble. False advertising. Waste of time. Seems 100% Chinese run. Probably bad pizza.

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The listing here is wrong! Teresa's are not defunct, they are just back to being one store instead of two stores on Wenlinjie now! They are still in business, still answer on this phone number, and are still delivering! Points for consistency, it's been years! As of right now, it's 68 for the more toppings vegetarian at the largest size. They will do thin or thick crust. Yes, it's not to everyone's taste, but I always used to find adding dried chilli powder and some extra salt brought it up to tasty. Might go for a dash of Sichuan pepper oil to spice it up this time around. (You know you've been in China too long when...)

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I also had a bad experience here recently.

Honestly, I wish them the best of luck, but I do think the staff are poorly managed and the owners have the wrong attitude and a clear lack of experience in service-oriented business. While the pizza is OK, everything else I have tried (including overnight stay) can be had cheaper and better elsewhere, and the pizza at Roccos is better in my opinion. The service has always fluctuated between acceptable to don't care.

Since they don't have their situation resolved yet, and it has been a few years, I have made the decision not to go there anymore or send anyone else. It's just not worth the hassle, given the crappy location (masked as private or lost). Better pizza with more quiet and privacy on Roccos' terraces.