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In any case, Danmairen, your original comment was completely off topic. Here we have an article whose main topic is a Kunming resident's attempts to organize a professional cycling team. Cycling races happen on controlled courses and are not subject to normal traffic conditions, so how is this related to the bad traffic/bad manners of motorists and cyclists in Kunming?

It's like there was an article about the proper way to pet a dog, and here comes Danmairen saying, "I don't mind dogs per se, but I really hate eating spinach."

You do realize you are actually trying to defend the (of all things) traffic in this fine city? what exactly are "the ideas within"? anyway,, not really looking for a fight. I was just pissed off coz I nearly got flattened yet again today while using a zebra crossing at green light. And don't get me wrong,, I like this place but that shouldn't disqualify me from occasionally being annoyed with potentially life threatening situations. It almost felt like a "You are not Chinese so you don't have the right to say anything"-moment for a second there. :-)

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Yea Danmairen, too many people... have you thought of leaving and giving that space you occupy to others who appreciate this city and the ideas within for what they are? Deadly chaos...hehehe you must be from the US, right?

Let me be the first to offer a very sincere "Yawn" and a good luck with the project. I don't mind cycling per se but after having experienced traffic in China I would much rather donate to research into human teleportation so we can avoid spending time dodging cars and sidestepping scooters in the deadly chaos known as the Kunming streets. Can you imagine what it will be like in 5-10 years with their plans to make this a 10 million city without building a subway?

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In fact the mor ei think i about im pissed off what is my name doing on a free beer for foreigner event F%$*K You CARGO

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yeah that sux, i wasnt told free beer was just for foreigners . They said free beer for anyone that arranged before hand . If i was Chinese i would not go there . No wonder foreigners get kicked in at Kundu. Sorry to any Chinese people that are offended i think it sux too!!!!!

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personally I decided never to go to cargo. free beers for foreigners? what's that?

Cargo has offered a 500RMB cash prize for one lucky person judged to be wearing the best costume who comes to the Menage A Trois show before the Circus Party.

The prize draw will take place at Midnight.

looking at the names of these two companies, i had to check my calendar to make sure it wasn't april 1... dunno about ecum, but hogood definitely exists, they have a nice looking cafe in the back of the 'scientist salon' on cuihu xi lu

Never heard of "ECUM Coffee Group", made a quick search on some Danish websites,, no results and no companies with even remotely similar sounding names. Oh well,, that's 10 mins of my life I am never getting back.