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Might isn't right and I don't really see a valid connection between global warming and little green shapeshifter robots. Wait a minute,, global warming,, little green men,, I might be pushing it but do you think those two could be related somehow?? Maybe "They" don't want us to know about the aliens because they are causing the global warming. Maybe Jimmy Hoffa and the Bilderbergs are in on it as well.

"Do you believe in God Danmairen?"

Do I come off as the religious type to you when I insist on scientific proof to prove wild statements and question the "I am sure it's there so it HAS to be there"- kinda thinking you guys present? (not even sure if it's more than one guy using different handles,, never noticed their names before on this site tbh).

Just to sum up,, no I don't believe in gods or religion. Interesting subject for a discussion though but there is a place and a time for everything.

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Good lord Bertrand it is a proven fact that "might" is science, just look at the global warming crowds science, it is all mights, projections, models and bloody what if's and yet there is in fact actual scientific data to support the opposite of what that mob of inquisitionists is purporting to be reality.

Must be tough to be cursed with a lack of imagination, thatk God that the likes of Einstein, Tesla and Hawkings were not lacking in the imagination department, we would still be using candles and performing exorcisms, burning witches etc.

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"Aliens could never travel the distances involved" - How I love that little get out clause. Time to open you minds guys - They might just be from HERE to start with but with a dimensional twist.

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You UFO zelots sure talk up a big game, considering your field is barely considered a credible science. Put up or shut up, and you'll have to do better than pyramids and crop circles...

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Yes sacuepan I think most of us can agree that there are flying objects which are identified, such as birds, planes, pigs etc, and there is also a group of flying objects which are as yet unidentified. To claim that any flying object that has not yet been identified is evidence of extraterrestrial intelligent life is both logically incorrect and misleading. It is simply unidentified, and remains as such until such time that it may be identified.

And what does taking a cursory glance through the ages prove, except that throughout history there were things we were unsure of, and tried to make explanations for?
You seem to take it as a given that UFO's and glancing through the ages proves the existence of extraterrestrial life, but to me it looks more like an article of faith, akin to a religion.
And you might want to be a bit more thoughtful about who you call uneducated.

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My dear danmairen, curious you have made me given this statement made by your good self

"DOESN'T qualify as a good scientist unless his claims can be backed up by good solid science. Science and tests that can be backed up by other scientists."

Do you believe in anthropogenic global warming and the science/scientists that back it up?

why are UFO matters invariably couched in terms of believers and sceptics?

we agree that the universe is .... very large.

we know that there are more stars than there are grains of sand on planet Earth.

we know life exists in more and more of the most inhospitable areas on THIS planet.

if you've seen a UFO - you 'know' they exist and it's no longer a question of belief.

WHAT UFO's actually are is the question and not 'Do they exist'

anyone who's taken even a cursory glance at art through the ages, at myth and legend is overwhelmed with the avalance of credible information.

sceptics - in this matter - aren't being sceptical - they're just oddly uneducated.

"You sir, Danmeiren, have the mentality of the kind of people that denied that the Earth was round. It doesn't take a genius to realize that UFOs are a very much possibly real."

No I haven't and if you had bothered to read my post then you probably would have realized that the second part of your statement is wrong also (when you use it to refer to me).

The first part you write is just ridiculous sorry. How is it wrong to want some kind of scientific proof to wild and weird claims? Although there is a theory that space can be bent doesn't mean that it IS true. Less that organized matter such as spaceships and organic organisms can use them for teleportal travelling. As a matter of fact wormholes and instant travelling breaks just about every physical law outthere but I am sure that people like you can find some awkward pseudo-scientific theory as to why it should be possible.

Again let me point out that I don't deny that there by all means should be intelligent life other than us in the universe. I just don't think they are visiting us and it is highly unlikely that they ever will within the lifespan of an intelligent civilization.

I'll be very happy to be proven wrong one day if we actually do make first contact but I have a feeling you and the other True Believers outthere will do whatever it takes (even a fight against reality) NOT to be proven wrong.

Either way this discussion is kinda irrelevant since only one thing can happen that satisfies both sides. Contact with intelligent life. Still I have to say that the idea of shapeshifting alien robots doesn't immediately win me over. Strange huh?

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"At the heart of hip hop"it sounds like dude hek considers you never need to wear clothes because you have a powerfull heart to support you think that you just need to dress up "at you,dude hek's heart". Oh my godness that's ridiculous.It seem that you can not only understand the true essence of hip-hop, but also the life. What a pity

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So Jesse, are you saying you actually believe it? Since the possibility of it could never be disproved, are you saying you actually think it is true that shape shifting aliens live and walk among us?
You Sir/ Madam seem to have the menality of an Easter Islander...and look what became of them...