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Forums > Living in Kunming > Raising a child in Kunming

It's not so much about fear, as it is about acknowledging risks and making informed decisions. That's usually the best a parent can do.

Internet search engines, as well as schools anywhere, are platforms, vehicles if you will. You can choose to be informed about how they are programmed to behave and why, but that is beyond capabilities of most primary school children - and most parents as well.

For young kids the important matter is where those vehicles take them. Driving them is responsibility of parents and teachers.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Raising a child in Kunming

@cloudtrapezer: "what, for example, English schools teach about the Irish or Bengal famines [...]"

Agreed, but the issue with raising a child is not so much the absolute information that education provides to the the child, than how much it differs from information that their parents have or would provide if they had control over it.

"we have Google and schoolkids can find these things out for themselves - even in China with a little bit of technical wizardry"

That's actually not granted. Under some jurisdictions in China, people have been punished for just using such wizardry, while nationwide it is now only illegal to provide such services to general public.

And letting your children Google their information completely on their own is not what I'd call a preferred option anywhere.

Especially if the child gets their core education in Chinese system, where I believe education on critical thinking is quite limited.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Raising a child in Kunming

@Ishmael: "'losing the child' due to Chinese education [...] might it not happen to one member of an international couple whose child was brought up entirely within the other parent's national education system?"

That depends on what is educated.

For example, between US and any western European country, differences are so small that it would never happen.

But going to China, or even some eastern European countries, different views or outright revisionism of history, as well as present events, gain momentum.

Think of anti-vaxing movement in many western countries, and extrapolate that to other aspects of society.

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Forums > Travel Yunnan > Experience off the beaten track

No experience finding accommodation, but my wife's family home is up in remote mountains in Changning county and we regularly make that trip (not on bike though).

I'd say that every township worthy of a police station, junior high school and hospital should have some kind of hotel.

They will be ignorant of requirements of registering foreigners (and so will the local police), because you should register at the county seat which can be several hours car drive away.

Between townships in rural roads, you can only ask around from houses or people you pass by.

Roads that may appear paved as they leave a town may turn into broken dirt roads later on, and especially when you cross county borders. A neighbouring county may not have priorized road improvements same way.

Rock slides and road collapses are not uncommon, and detours (even short ones) may take you to muddy soil.

Until some 6 years ago, going to my wife's home village required motorcycle or walking for the last 5km or so up the mountain, because hired cars would not drive the road.

It was since then renovated, and is better than the old Kunming-Dali road for example. That was one bumpy ride few years ago, when our driver tried to avoid congested highway.

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Forums > Living in Kunming > Raising a child in Kunming

@cloudtrapezer: "Not sure what kids here are indoctrinated in these days apart from China is wonderful and getting even better."

I think that pretty much sums it up. Everything is perfect, and only getting better. Had it not been for foreign influences, everything would have always been perfect in past too. No dictators here, only chairmans.

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But what is free?

Is it free, if it is funded by tax payers? Or state-owned tobacco sales?

Most foreigners in China I expect to break above the 4800 RMB monthly income limit, and therefore be interested to know that their tax contributions provide (among other things) education to Chinese youth.

But Chinese not so much. Many do not earn over 3500 RMB a month, and especially not the typical villagers and parents in locales where children drop out of compulsory education.

I argue that however little people earn, they should have to provide even a marginal tax contribution to raise awareness about efficient spending of those contributions.

Then again, that may still not be in best interest of the Chinese state.

@bilingualexpat:

Yes, I agree that China is far behind many countries, and when measuring happiness in international level, money starts to play less important role.

China has obvious disadvantages when it comes to civil liberties and democracy for example. People in countries that are arguably better positioned in those aspects, that knowledge alone will make them feel better about their own lives - even if financially they would not fare relatively any better than average Chinese.

But these awards in OP were limited to Chinese cities and I assume to Chinese respondents (by huge proportion anyway).

In Chinese context, Chengu has still been boasting GDP growth in the double digits or very close anyway, and while few will admit that money brings happiness, increase in GDP will translate to some degree of hope and positive vibe among the Chinese residents.

In national level, China's double digit days are over, but they were there anyway at some point. Was it ever so for Kunming? (not that I know if it still is)

I don't get this part (or I probably do, but disagree wholeheartedly):

"an official at a county-level education bureau in Yunnan told local media in 2014, explaining the local attitudes. "By the time he finishes school, all the good girls would be married, and it'd be hard for him to find a wife.""

Is (was) this "official" saying that if a boy takes his compulsory education to the end and finishes school at 15-or-so old, all good girls are married by then?

Hello?

"No marriage may be contracted before the man has reached 22 years of age and the woman 20 years of age."

Perhaps the schools should have more classes about the laws of China, so at least the future generations wouldn't need to be sued to take their kids to school.

Well, I for one am closing on 5th full year in Kunming, and can not speak Chinese more than casual greetings or understanding how much money to give when I buy something.

Local spouse contributes a lot to avoid having to learn, and since neither of us are teachers, family happiness comes before frustrating teacher/student relationship.

Also, to me it seems that it gets easier to manage without Chinese every year - I suppose it is some kind of development both ways.

But I have been considering taking formal classes - not so much to hold a conversation, but as backup plan if things change career or otherwise.

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